Right, but how far is there j high flush draw going when you raise the flop???

No. Keeping weaker fds in is more profitable than winning pot right now/ flipping with 2p.

Def just flat, raising this in a limped pot is spew as we hate getting 3bet. Keep it multiways to get value from lower FDs.

def calling here, inviting the SB into the pot too.

If I have any suited ace OTB and people limp in, I join the party always. Folding is really nitty, you can steal some pots and sometimes you get a flush over flush hand with nice result.

i call.

Because everyone who can call called already, so there's no one to invite in anymore. You're not getting 2 streets of value if you flush over flush someone anyways (unless they're terrible) so you might as well bloat the pot for when it happens and take the fold equity for when it doesn't. If they will pay off turn+river when you hit then by all means call.

Moreover, with the A+GS, we have so much equity vs sets we don't mind getting our stack+car keys in the middle if it happens. Raising would be terrible if BB only lead monsters though but you mentioned no such read.

Also, from a balance standpoint (lol 25 PLO, but it'll matter higher up) if you don't raise this then you only have sets or a raise/fold 2pair when you raise here.

Thanks for all the replies guys. I love when i get input from all the people i really respect in this forum!

I prefer a flat here. its limped, multi-way and you're in position.

Ya im completely in agreeance and always was. Just have such bad non-sd winnings trying to figure out spots to be more aggressive when i have the option.

We're ip, and will get paid for 2 streets. That is the assumption we can work on, unless our sizings are way too big. We might even get lead into by lesser flushes.

as u already implied, balance isn't very fashionable at PLO25, so I'm slightly worried about getting pot-lead into in a 5-way limped pot. if the betting is reopened, we lose any implied value our draw may have. We're unnecessarily risking a profitable scenario by making a very ambitious estimate of our FE.

And I take it the car keys were a bit of an exaggeration?