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06-22-2017 , 03:43 AM

DoOrDoNot

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Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 3081083
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UTG: $40.15
CO: $24.65
Hero (BTN): $32.76
SB: $8.61
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 5

1 fold, CO raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.90, SB calls $2.80, BB calls $2.65, CO calls $2.05

Flop: ($11.60) 4

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $6.11, SB folds, BB calls $6.11, CO folds

Turn: ($23.82) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $15.99 all in

Hero folds? Or am I committed?

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06-22-2017 , 06:15 AM

SolarAU

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You have to call this off if you think villain takes this line with some hands that aren't JTxx. With immediate odds you need 28.6% and have ~23.7% against a range of JTxx so if you can add in some weird bluffs like AJJx, ATTx and some value like KKxx, QQxx or even 2p it's a fist pump call.

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06-22-2017 , 04:28 PM

LoudPacquiao

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Note beginner question:

Should we be potting flop or is that losing value since we only are scared of Q,J, or T on the flop?

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06-22-2017 , 06:12 PM

Loctus

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**** him I ain't folding

I think flop sizing is okay but might go even smaller, like 1/3rd pot (but then folding turn becomes more of an option in the same scenario with higher SPR, obv).

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06-22-2017 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Loctus

**** him I ain't folding

I think flop sizing is okay but might go even smaller, like 1/3rd pot (but then folding turn becomes more of an option in the same scenario with higher SPR, obv).

Similarly, could we bet bigger on the flop to ensure getting it in on the turn? Or do we crush this board so hard that 1/3 is better for value?

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06-23-2017 , 05:52 AM

Loctus

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Betting big on flop just ****s your range. I'll fold KKxx to a big bet on this flop if I'm one of the other guys in the hand. If you bet big you literally just get action from AKxx and anything else folds probably

It's a four way flop in a 3bet pot and the 3bettor pots out on a AK4r board. I mean come on, even the worst players in the world are going to add 2+2 and realize what that means

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06-23-2017 , 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Loctus

george orwell?

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06-26-2017 , 11:56 AM

CJ72

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Pre- flop BB cold called a 3b OOP. Imo there aren't too many hands other than JTxx that'll do that AND continue on that flop.

I think your decision to 3b pre was a little bold given your side cards. Maybe a call pre-flop would have resulted in a smaller pot on the turn?

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06-26-2017 , 12:43 PM

Dap Dippin

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^ Come on now. I hope the day never comes when it is actually considered "bold" to 3 bet aces on the BTN to a CO open.

Last edited by Dap Dippin; 06-26-2017 at 12:54 PM. Reason: we need a nitervention

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06-26-2017 , 12:45 PM

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TreadLightly

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Originally Posted by CJ72

3betting a suited AAxx is bold?

Also ye I think you always gotta call off unless the guy has like a 0.5% aggro factor over a history and would only shove with exactly JT

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06-26-2017 , 02:13 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by TreadLightly

3betting a suited AAxx is bold?

Also ye I think you always gotta call off unless the guy has like a 0.5% aggro factor over a history and would only shove with exactly JT

Ya I agree it depends on the table dynamics of course. The 5/6 doesn't block anything so how many boards out there are we going to like getting a lot of action on that don't give us a chance at the flush? A(2,3,4)x? I'd be more inclined to call/shove a turn if I had either a J/T in my hand. Otherwise it's bet/fold.

The OP got cold called by both blinds, so on a coordinated (no-flush) flop I can't think of many hands that are going to fold to a CB either.

Was the BB putting the hero in AA-rags? My guess is that it didn't matter

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06-26-2017 , 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dap Dippin

^ Come on now. I hope the day never comes when it is actually considered "bold" to 3 bet aces on the BTN to a CO open.

CO raised no?

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06-26-2017 , 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Is this an argument for not 3betting? Because it's precisely why it's good to 3bet. You want a low SPR in overpair type spots, 3betting for value pre gets us to make easier postflop decisions. Pretty sure just flopping an overpair and backdoor flush draw in 3bet pot it's +ev to get it in for 100bbs barring really bad boards and villains obviously having flopped something strong.

Im convinced this is a call regardless. It's a slight mistake if villain ONLY has JTxx. With KKxx added in there we have 42% equity. Side not you can't bet/fold here ever with SPR<1 that would be an enormous mistake.

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06-26-2017 , 04:15 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot

I'm just suggesting that 3B AA-rag isn't necessarily an automatic proposition.

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06-26-2017 , 04:41 PM

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Dap Dippin

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Yes. Yes it is. Even against a nit this is a 3 bet. Our Aces aren't even as raggedy as you seem to think they are. They have a NFD and two connected cards, and this is still way ahead of a random CO opening range.

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06-26-2017 , 05:15 PM

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I'm just suggesting that 3B AA-rag isn't necessarily an automatic proposition.

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Originally Posted by Dap Dippin

Ya this. These aren't amazing Aces but they're still very good. It's a top 2% hand and a 3bet every time unless there is a maniac in the blinds.

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06-26-2017 , 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ72

Ya I agree it depends on the table dynamics of course. The 5/6 doesn't block anything so how many boards out there are we going to like getting a lot of action on that don't give us a chance at the flush? A(2,3,4)x? I'd be more inclined to call/shove a turn if I had either a J/T in my hand. Otherwise it's bet/fold.

The OP got cold called by both blinds, so on a coordinated (no-flush) flop I can't think of many hands that are going to fold to a CB either.

Was the BB putting the hero in AA-rags? My guess is that it didn't matter

wtf am I reading lmao SPR is like 0.6

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06-27-2017 , 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Loctus

wtf am I reading lmao SPR is like 0.6

I didnt mention a bet size.

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06-27-2017 , 12:09 PM

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DoOrDoNot

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Originally Posted by CJ72

I didnt mention a bet size.

Any reasonable betsize completely commits us to the pot

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06-27-2017 , 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ72

I didnt mention a bet size.

Is your bet size going to be in the negative and subtract money out of the pot? Becuase otherwise it doesn't matter

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06-28-2017 , 01:12 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by Loctus

Is your bet size going to be in the negative and subtract money out of the pot? Becuase otherwise it doesn't matter

Okay, I recalculated the pot. You're correct. I guess the OP has to call off on turn hoping to fill up.

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06-30-2017 , 07:28 AM

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CJ, you seem like a nice guy, and I don't wanna deter you from contributing, but none of what you posted is true.

As far as what op should do ott, there's very little anyone can say to give you an indication of what the right decision is. The way to work it out is to determine how much equity you have against JT, how much equity you need, and to consider what other holdings (if any) villain would do this with. When you rebalance that, you'll have your answer.

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07-03-2017 , 05:50 AM

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You can size up in a 4way pot imo and there is no question then. As you played you have not enough odds to call vs nuts.
But sometimes you have to die like a man.

Last edited by naggeri2; 07-03-2017 at 05:57 AM.

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07-03-2017 , 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by naggeri2

You can size up in a 4way pot imo and there is no question then. As you played you have not enough odds to call vs nuts.
But sometimes you have to die like a man.

I take this to mean bet bigger on the flop and never fold?

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