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09-19-2014 , 01:45 PM

ndahlhoff10

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Merge, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30804681

BB: $16.94 (67.8 bb)
MP: $4.53 (18.1 bb)
CO: $44.35 (177.4 bb)
BTN: $22.06 (88.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $36.69 (146.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3

MP calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.70) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $8.70 ($21 total), Hero

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Vil is 78/12, 25% agg, 175 hands

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09-19-2014 , 02:19 PM

DTLB

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My preference would be to fold pre given that I still wouldn't be comfortable after flopping a set.

I'd fold here I guess. Villain is passive but he's raised twice now, so give him credit unless you have a plan for future streets.

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09-19-2014 , 02:20 PM

Minsk

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I'm still learning PLO, but it seems like you got what you wanted, if you're folding here the line doesn't make any sense.

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09-19-2014 , 02:37 PM

DTLB

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Originally Posted by Minsk

I'm still learning PLO, but it seems like you got what you wanted, if you're folding here the line doesn't make any sense.

I don't think betting bottom set and getting raised is ever what we want in PLO, which is why I prefer folding pre oop to the PFR.

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09-19-2014 , 02:48 PM

HEM323

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i like 3b small dbl pair hands in position to clean up our equity in the hand, gets the blinds and others to fold hands that can over set us.

think folding isnt the right thing to do pre, i think your mistake is to donk on that board

Its fine to check call the flop and re evaluate turn

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09-19-2014 , 03:12 PM

hackprotech

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ndahlhoff do you still play a lot ?

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09-19-2014 , 04:16 PM

ndahlhoff10

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I'm getting back into it. Took a few months off for a job. Just put in my two weeks yesterday because it was pretty awful and plan on playing a lot again now.

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09-20-2014 , 06:22 PM

NMcNasty

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I definitely shove as played. Villain raised from the button so he has a wide range and could have all kinds of draws. Calling puts us in too many difficult turn/river spots, folding is way too weak.

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09-21-2014 , 09:03 AM

Kingandtheduck

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def gii, wish i could use PPT better but this is a super fricking tight range, and he'll be way wider than that.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.21 Basic)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - Ks8s6h
PLAYER_1 6s6d3d3c
PLAYER_2 (KK,88),((K8)!(KK,88,66)), AKss
600000 trials (randomized)

All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
6s6d3d3c	42.4258%	42.4258%	0.0000%	254555	0
(KK,88),((K8)!(KK,88...	57.5742%	57.5742%	0.0000%	345445	0

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09-21-2014 , 09:14 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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You have to use preflop weighting. 66 will have somewhere between 30-34% equity vs. that range, depending on how much positional awareness Villain has (likely not much).

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

3,874,500 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 6

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
(KK,88,66,K8,AK:ss):15%	69.11%	2,677,781	0
3s6h6d3d	30.89%	1,196,719	0

Also, "AKss" should be "AK:ss".

Don't attempt to draw any conclusions about my opinion wrt the actual decision from this post.

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 09-21-2014 at 09:21 AM.

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09-21-2014 , 09:33 AM

#11

Charlie Yu

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Fold pre. As played I guess you have to get it in.

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09-21-2014 , 09:43 AM

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Kingandtheduck

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

You have to use preflop weighting. 66 will have somewhere between 30-34% equity vs. that range, depending on how much positional awareness Villain has (likely not much).

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

3,874,500 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 6

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
(KK,88,66,K8,AK:ss):15%	69.11%	2,677,781	0
3s6h6d3d	30.89%	1,196,719	0

Also, "AKss" should be "AK:ss".

Don't attempt to draw any conclusions about my opinion wrt the actual decision from this post.

he cant have 66 on that board, thanks for the head sup on the syntax for Asks, running it again we have more equity confusing!

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.21 Basic)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
Board - Ks8s6h
PLAYER_1 6s6d3d3c
PLAYER_2 (KK,88),((K8)!(KK,88,66)), AK:ss
600000 trials (randomized)

All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
6s6d3d3c	44.5375%	44.5375%	0.0000%	267225	0
(KK,88),((K8)!(KK,88...	55.4625%	55.4625%	0.0000%	332775	0

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09-21-2014 , 09:50 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck

he cant have 66 on that board

Yeah, PPT accounts for that and auto-excludes it.

It's more flexible to put all "blocked hands" in anyway -- e.g. you might want to look at your equity with a different hand, like K8xx. It would be annoying to have to re-tweak villain's range every time.

This is the difference between AKss and AK:ss:

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09-22-2014 , 02:53 AM

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getthatmoney

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Once you lead, you cant lead/fold, so get it in, next hand.

The real/interesting question is should you be leading, cc or cr. I have no idea.

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09-22-2014 , 04:17 AM

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mecantplay

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Pre - good
Flop - bet>c/r and ofc gii
if not Turn is c/r if there isnt flush or str card

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