Villain aggro, not sure if good thoug. 2.6 aggression.
41/28 over 800 hands

raise cbet in 3b pot 36%
can get aggro with draws.
reason why i 3b this is because he 4bets 38% of hands.


He has CO still left to act and he is raising , making his range quite strong here.
Anw, what do we do here?

Ongame Network $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 1832279
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $218.30
Hero (SB): $492.50
BB: $225.00
UTG: $608.60
CO: $329.10

Pre Flop: ($4.00) Hero is SB with 7 5 A A
UTG raises to $6, CO calls $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26, 1 fold, UTG calls $20, CO calls $20

Flop: ($80.00) 3 8 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $52.00, UTG raises to $104, CO folds,

Hero?

whats his utg vpip/pfr. if hes very positionally aware he'll only have 88 here. even being that loose. and the rest bluffs. is co a loose fish?

also cbet a lot smaller.

This is actually a cool spot because his raise looks strong on first look, but when you consider how few 3s or 88 combos CO or you should have in your ranges then it is a great spot to bluff and therefore if he is thinking this too his range should be quite a bit weaker/wider.

Ordinarily I wouldn't be too afraid of an UTG opener having 3xxx in their range but given how loose he is we have to consider that a bit more.

It's a disgusting spot regardless. I start by calling. My spidey senses tell me we might want to call down in this spot and if in game we had the feeling (you know the feeling, the one that tells you "he doesn't have it") then it's a perfect spot to call down. Barring that in game feeling (which nobody can know except you) and going off the HH alone it is much closer and I don't think anyone could be faulted for wanting to fold or call down.

why are you 3 betting that hand out of position that deep anyways. Your going to get yourself in sucky spots like this one much more often then good spots.

.

turn action

Is it ever a bad idea to ck/call? Were either way ahead/way behind no? And it avoids us from being just minraised all day.

^^ well you should be cbetting this flop a lot.

Is this a good spot to check call? If these villains are bluff machines is the best strategy to check-call down and let them spew into us? Or call the check-raise and potentially stack off?

I've given this hand some though and I've decided to be a negative nancy once again;

You are basing your 3bet preflop with a marginal hand (considering that you are OOP and deep) on the fact that villain has a high 4bet frequency. What I feel you are missing (with regards to reads) is;

What is villain opening UTG?
What is your image in the eyes of villain?
Is villain 4betting an equal high frequeny when he is in position? And deep? Since the 150 extra bb really should slow the 4betting down.

Because if villain is using position decently, and also raises quite alot in 3bet pots, you're not really putting yourself up for an easy flop/turn decision here. Theres not that many flops you want to hit. Practicly any two cards between 8 and K will give you that ugly stomach feel. You've also got to factor in that this deep, villain probably won't fold that often, and when he calls, its somewhat likely that CO will come along often too. Making the pot 3way with you in the nut worst position.

The way I see this is that (and now I'm just assuming) that villain opens UTG, and your then power3betting him fra the blinds. He shouldn't really be ****ing around with light 4bets here, and you don't have anything other than the stats that says he will.


---

ubermonk; why do we want to cbet this flop alot? This is one of the nut worst flops for our percieved range, ( i got corrected on this, as it being a good flop for our range since we're often ahead) but im letting it stand for discussions sake) and we're almost always in a WA/WB scenario, with us being WB alot of the times villain wants to see showdown. You'll ~never get stacks in for value, so the urge to build pot shouldnt be so big.

Interested in hearing more thoughts on this hand, as being OOP deep is something I **** up alot myself. And probably not the easiest thing in PLO

+1

Given stack sizes, positions and aggro villain I don't like the 3bet. He will put us in A LOT of tough spots post-flop with superior position.

I doubt he 4bets 38% of his opening range in this spot, especially considering we have AAxx.

On the flop
I think we can cbet <= 1/2 pot since we are good here a very big percentage of the time (low paired + rainbow board). It also avoids a stack committing decision (a lot of pressure) if villain raises... which he does!

Sorry streaming, but I think villain played this hand really well :S

What are cutoffs stats and what kind of squeezing range does villain likely put you on. If you suspect he thinks you're squeezing pretty wide then go ahead and call down. If CO is a total drooler he's probably just going to assume you're fairly wide here if your not a preflop nit. If he thinks you're squeezing pretty tight I'd just go ahead and dump it. He might still be bluffing obviously but the problem is your hand is going to be pretty face up after the flop bet/call and you'll have to put a lot of money without having much of a clue about his barreling frequency on the turn/river.

Honestly checking flop would not be that bad at all vs aggro guy.
I would be very comfortable C/c against some1 like that and let him try and barrel me off my Aces.
Bet calling is fine too - either way our hand is gonna be pretty much face up.


You have to look further than pre flop and flop play tho. There are some players who play super loose and aggro pre and very often on flop, but slow down A LOT on turn and river.
That should help you make much better further decisions.

The fact that he still raising the flop even with CO to act behind him changes actually very little in this spot.