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09-28-2016 , 10:13 PM

Smokey_The_Bear

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6 max on bovada, villain has $230, hero covers

Hero is Button with J

Hero raises to $11.50, SB calls, BB folds

(Pot $27)

Flop Q

SB checks, hero bets $21, SB calls

(Pot $69)

Turn 4

SB checks, Hero Bets $65, SB calls

River 9

SB is all in for $132.50, Hero calls.

Are we ever folding river? Or playing this differently?

I have no reads on players, it's Bovada.

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09-28-2016 , 11:44 PM

WiWaise

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Wp up to this point. You have the perfect hand to call river here with your blockers + I think many hands that have wraps otf are 3betting pre. So I'm not folding here against an unknown.

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09-29-2016 , 01:40 AM

Mattyk1992

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I think the river is a fold, he doesn't have to have a wrap to make a straight on the river.

I feel like when he take the lead OTR it's very rarely a bluff, in saying that our hand looks relatively strong with sets & wraps in our range very frequently after cbetting that flop. So this would suggest unless we have the nutted top of our range Sets + SD (KJ/J8) we should find a fold here.

I actually don't mind checking back the flop with our hand as it would conceal the strength of our hand.

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09-29-2016 , 02:19 AM

.isolated

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Well we can't fold here.

Last edited by .isolated; 09-29-2016 at 02:19 AM. Reason: I'd fold.

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09-29-2016 , 04:32 AM

$ilentboy

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Very weird hand, you block the J's for his str8 and the only thing you win on river is low set or top2p both of which would re raise you on turn so if it wasn't a 2/4 game I would say that this little fellow just clicks buttons.......But I think you have to call since you have to be right 1 out of 3 times since SPR is like 1 so I don't like it but I would call also cuz a scared card on ther river came but there is also a busted FD so.....

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09-29-2016 , 05:39 AM

gtl2p2

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I can't fold

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09-29-2016 , 06:43 AM

Loctus

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Him playing half-stacked on bovada makes it quite likely that he is a potato, even at 2/4. The river is also a card which completes... something. Potatos with air on the river oop frequently take the "oh **** I have nothing.. WAIT I COULD HAVE A STRAIGHT, HOPE HE FOLDS"-line. I think your blockers make this a call.

I think a decent question is what we do if he checks river

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09-29-2016 , 07:03 AM

blakkkat

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Well he called pre and then 2 big bets on flop and turn OOP,so he must have something to go along with his probably missed FD.I dont think he has a set or 2 pair since he would have raised at least turn and either way it wouldnt make sense to turn it into a bluff in this spot(and if hes a fish hes not capable of such a play anyway).So idk tough spot but

this

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plus that we have the blockers would prolly make this a call.

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09-29-2016 , 08:42 AM

AVO

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I'd call.

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09-29-2016 , 09:01 AM

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Travbana

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blockers in omaha is as usefull as a broken condom in africa, you think it makes a difference, but in reality it doesen't.

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09-29-2016 , 09:05 AM

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Grethe

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Of cause it matters... Cardremoval is underrated

For the hand, call.

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09-29-2016 , 10:33 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by Grethe

Of cause it matters... Cardremoval is underrated

For the hand, call.

They are overrated. People will come up with some sort of "do x because of blockers" suggestion in almost every thread, and it turns out to be nonsense a lot of the time.

This is a spot where they matter a lot, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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09-29-2016 , 10:57 AM

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SolarAU

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

This is a spot where they matter a lot, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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09-29-2016 , 11:28 AM

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NMcNasty

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Originally Posted by Smokey_The_Bear

I have no reads on players, it's Bovada.

With completely no reads I'm pretty sure this is a fold. A few hands of tilt, seeing villain lose a few pots, seeing even just one desperation or otherwise fishy play and this is a call. But otherwise you just aren't going to have any sort of reason to overcome the fact that this is just a perfectly normal line from any sort of one pair + KJ or J8.

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09-29-2016 , 01:59 PM

#15

Controlling

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Originally Posted by Loctus

1. Whats an potato? If potato is some sort of fish, then this statement is stupid.

2. what we do if he checks river? What about checking behind? The most hands that are better than us will call and the hands that are worse will usually fold to a bet.

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09-29-2016 , 02:04 PM

#16

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Originally Posted by Travbana

blockers in omaha is as usefull as a broken condom in africa, you think it makes a difference, but in reality it doesen't.

You mean at the stakes that u are playing. Thats true. At plo2 and plo5 blockers are as usefull as your little dick for a porn movie.

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09-29-2016 , 03:13 PM

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Grethe

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

Thats true, however can we agree that cardremoval approached "less structural" is nice?

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09-29-2016 , 08:48 PM

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Mad Twatter

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without the blockers, flip a coin, not a fun call to make but a good spot for him to bluff, and you get good odds to make the call. here with the blockers, easy call.

I doubt anybody saying fold in this thread, would actually make the fold in-game, but just level themselves here overthinking it. hope I'm wrong though.

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09-30-2016 , 08:09 AM

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thegibson

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Originally Posted by Loctus

This..I saw this a lot when I played on bovada

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09-30-2016 , 08:09 AM

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thegibson

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Originally Posted by Travbana

blockers in omaha is as usefull as a broken condom in africa, you think it makes a difference, but in reality it doesen't.

2/4 PLO am I ever folding to this river bet

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