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Originally Posted by SolarAU
Hand 1 is a massive leak. You'd be very lucky to ever have fold equity with a 3bet squeeze OOP preflop and this hand is way too weak to build a big pot with terrible position in a pot that is almost always going to go multi-ways after an open + 2, effectively 3 callers. This is also not a hand that can call a 4bet ever let alone consider stacking off preflop. Obviously once you get to this A high board you have to cbet here really, although I'm not loving it considering there's 4 players to the flop and there's a tonne of combos that will continue here, even against a range that you think they perceive as AAxx heavy. If you continue to play hands like this as your "pet play" you will be felted very quickly, although It's probably not the worst considering the bovada player pool probably plays equally as bad, but overall huge leak in the long run, even against bad players.
Hand 2 preflop looks fine, I personally like to defend the BB fairly wide and in a HU pot this is fine but if the pot is likely to go multi-way I will sometimes throw this garbage away. I like to x/r against high IP cbettors in this spot since our hand is just slightly too weak to consider x/c with our middle pair + non-nut gutter since we can easily be barrelled off of our equity and obviously we'd have fold equity against a player with a wide btn open range and high cbet frequency.
The hand has to stack off to a 4 bet once 3 bet to 94, but I get your point that my fold equity pre flop might be a lot less then I think it is. I've had some good success taking the pot down pre in this spot playing mid-high live poker.
So everyone is ok with c/folding the second hand if we are concerned we may be playing against a low c/bet% at that sizing, but we agree it's generally a good hand to check raise, cool.