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180bb deep, weak 2pair + draws 180bb deep, weak 2pair + draws

10-06-2013 , 08:50 AM
villain is playing 65/49 over 157 hands
I'd appreciate thoughts on every street.



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19820761

SB: $100.09 (200.2 bb)
BB: $23.98 (48 bb)
UTG: $38.75 (77.5 bb)
MP: $40 (80 bb)
Hero (CO): $89.22 (178.4 bb)
BTN: $69.12 (138.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 3 5 6
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($7.50) 5 4 J (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $5.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $23.66, 2 folds, Hero calls $18.16

Turn: ($54.82) A (2 players)
SB bets $52.35,
Hero ??
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10-06-2013 , 09:58 AM
smells like JJxx
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10-07-2013 , 04:36 AM
if we are going to play this pre flop, against this villain, we have to 3 bet. I really don't like the call (i'd rather fold than call) as it just prices everyone else in with marginal hands who also want to gut the fish, and it will leave a lot of our draws dominated.

Betting the flop is fine, but once SB jams into 3 players he has a very strong holding; it's either JJxx or a big wrap, leaving us with i guess ~35% equity so i'd fold.
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10-07-2013 , 02:36 PM
mandatory iso 3b pre, especially deep were we have an ez call if he 4b.
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10-08-2013 , 06:00 AM
You guys do realize that the original pfr isnt the villain, its the 80bb MP, which we werent given any info about, so i wouldnt exactly say this is a "MANDATORY 3BET".

As played its really close, since even maniacs and ******s dont usually go ape**** when the pot is 5ways. I still probably just close my eyes and shove tho, since he probably has **** like J87x in his range.
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10-08-2013 , 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevengAA
mandatory iso 3b pre, especially deep were we have an ez call if he 4b.
yeah. sure. read the hand history.
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10-08-2013 , 08:03 AM
mp is a TAG and i woldnt even consider 3betting with my holding against his 80bbs tbh
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10-08-2013 , 08:04 AM
i guess one could find a fold there, eg if button were a good lag?
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10-08-2013 , 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apo5tol
You guys do realize that the original pfr isnt the villain
nope If MP is a tag i'd rather fold than call, but a 3 bet (and we can adjust our 3 bet size to compensate for his stack) is still better than a call imo.
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10-08-2013 , 08:49 AM
b/f flop cause only clean out is the 2 and his c/r is superstrong here
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10-08-2013 , 09:07 AM
I would fold pre.

On the flop 2 bottom pairs are marginal cause we are 5 handed.
The draw is weak and I'm tempted to check it back.
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10-08-2013 , 09:12 AM
B/f and check back both seems ok to me.

Probably 3betting or folding btw, multiway we are gonna be dominated too often I think.
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10-08-2013 , 10:42 AM
call the turn ship

fold pre > 3! pre > call pre
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10-08-2013 , 10:44 AM
this is a good example of why low rundowns are so bad. best scenario flops and u still gii behind.
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10-08-2013 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohlongjohnson
this is a good example of why low rundowns are so bad. best scenario flops and u still gii behind.

Indeed!
I wouldn't consider myself completely unexperienced at PLO, but I was shocked how bad my equity was against his actual hand, altough he turned out to have one of the worse hands in his range. and turn cut equity down by another 16% without him making the str8
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10-08-2013 , 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohlongjohnson
call the turn ship

fold pre > 3! pre > call pre
what if we had the button instead of co?
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10-09-2013 , 02:44 PM
I'd probably fold pre, sometimes 3b. I prefer folding with very loose/aggro player in sb.

AP I like b/f flop, c/r on these textures 5-ways is going to be a 2pair, wraps, and sets. Equity in ~35% range.
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