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Old 05-27-2012, 06:43 PM   #1
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10plo AAxx on flop

CO is 30/30 with 11% over 30 hands or so

Hero has a semi aggro image, been 3b in pos

std play or is this a fold? (now that i look over it, he probs has QQ often her no?)

$0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($15.12)
UTG+1 ($10.24)
CO ($11.73)
BTN ($9.02)
Hero (SB) ($16.18)
BB ($9.22)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is SB 3 A 7 A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.15, BTN folds

Flop: 7 10 Q ($3.45, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $9.15, Hero goes all-in $14.68, CO calls $1.08

Turn: 6 ($23.91, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: K ($23.91, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $23.91
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:31 PM   #2
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

Flat pre...fold on the flop...your aces are not good enough to 3bet oop in a 3way pot...basically you signal your hand and u allow them to play perfectly agaibst you...if ur aces were premium for example doublesuited u would hit a ton of flops and be able to go with the hand...now you only have an overpair and bottom pair on the flop vs 2 villains who could have 2pair or a ton of straight draws...so just fold
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:22 PM   #3
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

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Flat pre...fold on the flop...your aces are not good enough to 3bet oop in a 3way pot...basically you signal your hand and u allow them to play perfectly agaibst you...if ur aces were premium for example doublesuited u would hit a ton of flops and be able to go with the hand...now you only have an overpair and bottom pair on the flop vs 2 villains who could have 2pair or a ton of straight draws...so just fold
in a vacuum i would flat too there preflop. but if this guy has a high 4B I would 3B him, I think getting it in preflopp will be profitable against most players even though our aces here are very crappy
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:02 PM   #4
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

Flat pre. As played fold to a raise.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:43 AM   #5
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

his PFR is really high so 3bet can't be that bad... bet pot on this flop
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:59 AM   #6
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his PFR is really high so 3bet can't be that bad... bet pot on this flop
It's a terrible situation though.

He's in position
We're out of position
We have AA73, suited to the 7
It's going to be a multi-way pot
We're out of position
We've turned our hand face up and....
We're out of position

If anyone gives us any significant action on that flop, we're crushed.

The fact we have a ****ty AAxx here is almost irrelevant.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:41 AM   #7
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

we're out of position, but we only have 2 bets left, so his positional advantage isn't as awesome as you're trying to make it seem

he opens 30% of hands overall so that means his CO raise % is higher than 30

and i can be results oriented and say the button folds sometimes since he did in this hand
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:11 AM   #8
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we're out of position, but we only have 2 bets left, so his positional advantage isn't as awesome as you're trying to make it seem

he opens 30% of hands overall so that means his CO raise % is higher than 30

and i can be results oriented and say the button folds sometimes since he did in this hand
We're 110bb deep, we put in 15bb pre.

At this point we have 95bb left but we're not too bothered because there's "only" 2 bets left?

And that means his positional advantage doesn't mean as much?

Even though he knows *exactly* what we have?

Come on man.... we're playing with our hand face up, and he has position on us and there's 85bb left. It doesn't get any worse than this!

Even if he is raising > 30%, AA73 suited to the 7 is not crushing him, we're *not* extracting tons of value by 3 betting.

Making 1 out of 2 players fold, some of the time, isn't really that great an achievement either, not in this situation.

Now on the flop, what hands that we beat are going to put 85bb in? KQ23?

If we bet flop and turn is a scare card (which is a massive chunk of the deck btw), what then?

Do we just give up, or do we get stubborn and stack off no matter what?

The 15bb preflop reraise for thin value (I assume its thin value, there's no other reason) just doesn't come anywhere close to justifying the postflop situation, which is frequently awful.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:21 AM   #9
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

he doesn't know what we have (not that that matters toooo much though) because you should be 3betting stuff other than aces vs a 30% pfr guy and a lot of that stuff crushes this board... you can still bet this flop for pot as played... i do love your enthusiasm sir ;-)

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Old 05-28-2012, 03:29 AM   #10
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

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At this point we have 95bb left but we're not too bothered because there's "only" 2 bets left?
look how it played out though, with the button calling and stuff... you just pot the flop and shove the turn

this flop obviously isn't that awesome for potting into, idk... if the 7 was a 2 i'd definitely pot... c/f is probably good though... if i thought his 3bet calling range was near 100% or if he was gonna peel really wide i'd bet pot
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:15 AM   #11
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

lmao ok buddy, I give up

3 bet this hand in SB every time and pot away to your hearts content.

I'm sure villains will stack off with worse, seeing as how they expect you to have AA, and you actually have it!!
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:12 AM   #12
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

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bet pot on this flop
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just pot the flop and shove the turn
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this flop obviously isn't that awesome for potting into, idk
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c/f is probably good though...
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Old 05-28-2012, 07:48 AM   #13
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Re: 10plo AAxx on flop

Donīt 3bet this pre, dont even 3bet this if it were suited to the aces. 3bet double suited aces here and aces like AA98 suited to an ace. You donīt want to bloat the pot 3way with a hand that donīt hit flops so well because youīre going to bet fold too much like you should on this flop, to call a raise here would be better if the board was more draw heavy because you would be favourite against draws that would get it in but still you wouldnīt be happy about it.

If heīs good heīll put you on good aces/kings here because itīs what you have most of the time when you 3bet here if youīre a good player and he can play perfectly against you. He could raise your cbet here with lots of hands that beat you like Q7, QT, 7T, TT, QQ, AKQJ, KJT9, and other pair + wrap/oesd type of hands. Even a pair with just a gutshot have you beat here like T862s.

If you think he 4betīs you a lot this is an ok 3bet but you canīt know if heīs 4betting you after just 30 hands. And you could get it in bad against two rundown type of hands.
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