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100plo - too loose? 100plo - too loose?

10-08-2014 , 06:26 PM
CO is a reg on the tigther side. SB is a fishy player. Fine or butchered?


PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $106.79
CO: $103.00
Hero (BTN): $102.68
SB: $82.89
BB: $32.86
UTG: $104.03

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has 4 8 3 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $3.00, Hero raises to $10.50, SB calls $10.00, fold, CO raises to $43.00, Hero calls $32.50, SB calls $32.50

Flop: ($130.00, 3 players) 8 A 6
SB checks, CO bets $60.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $59.68 and is all-in, fold
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10-08-2014 , 07:31 PM
dont mind 3b, calling the 4b with such a low SPR on flop where we have to stack off with virtually anything seems spewy
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10-08-2014 , 07:47 PM
you cannot fold anywhere once you 3bet
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10-08-2014 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marek_heinz
you cannot fold anywhere once you 3bet
+1
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10-08-2014 , 08:43 PM
2-gapper too weak to 3bet imo unless CO is playing very weak in 3bet pots, like it even less if SB is likely to come along. Rest standard.
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10-09-2014 , 08:09 AM
3-bet is totally fine...
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10-09-2014 , 08:16 AM
have KQJTds one time............
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10-09-2014 , 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marek_heinz
you cannot fold anywhere once you 3bet
even 3 way? how about if it was 4 way?
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10-09-2014 , 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
even 3 way? how about if it was 4 way?
ya i fall into this camp of thinking as well. I'd happily play this hand HU vs a 3b IP but with another hand sticking around its gotta be a losing call PF. Too many marginal spots where we flop good but are dominated.
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10-09-2014 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gakn29
ya i fall into this camp of thinking as well. I'd happily play this hand HU vs a 3b IP but with another hand sticking around its gotta be a losing call PF. Too many marginal spots where we flop good but are dominated.
yeah if the hand was heads up 4b pot then ok, but the pots so inflated with sb cold calling 3b - making us having to call near 100% of flops

would like some maths on this
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10-09-2014 , 08:01 PM
You can't pitch in 10% of your stack pre with a hand like that and then fold pre.

You could argue for 3bet/folding something like AKTJ with 100bb, but 3478, not so much..
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10-10-2014 , 01:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marek_heinz
you cannot fold anywhere once you 3bet
This. The real question is should we be 3-betting a tightish reg in this spot with this weak of a hand? I would rather fold this hand pre.
I like how you played it once you three bet it though OP. I don't mind the SB coming along either, our small double suited rundown plays better multiway as both villains ranges should be very broadway card dependent. We have position and don't need to hit the flop very hard to call all in here and show profit in the long run.
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10-10-2014 , 04:59 AM
3b no. Hand is way too weak. Call pre, fold flop if you must. Fold pre is the best marginally over calling, and 3b is the worst option. It seems like some of the advice is bad on purpose. Avoid being pot committed pre with rags, you got it in drawing to a sucker gutshot, that's losing play. You win this 1/10 times or less.

Last edited by vektor; 10-10-2014 at 05:05 AM.
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10-10-2014 , 05:15 AM
im not a big fan of the 3bet, but its clearly better than flatting
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10-10-2014 , 05:58 AM
Standizzle
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10-10-2014 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
You can't pitch in 10% of your stack pre with a hand like that and then fold pre.

You could argue for 3bet/folding something like AKTJ with 100bb, but 3478, not so much..
I hear what people are saying just feels wrong to my instincts and would like to be able to quantify if its +EV to call here
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10-10-2014 , 06:25 AM
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8h7s4h3s41.07% 245,5661,751
5%58.93% 352,6831,751

+ positional advantage
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10-10-2014 , 06:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8h7s4h3s41.07% 245,5661,751
5%58.93% 352,6831,751

+ positional advantage
3 handed thou? + pos is made almost irrelevant due to stack sizes/spr
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10-10-2014 , 06:36 AM
My instinct says that should fold to 3 bet, because the sb is calling behind us. This would be very easy call without the sb but now we have the worst position on flop.

E. Or maybe it doesn't matter much what your going to do here. ~Fliping anyway.

Last edited by bubo78; 10-10-2014 at 06:46 AM.
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10-10-2014 , 06:56 AM
What is the CO's 4 bet range?
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10-10-2014 , 07:03 AM
unknown, not enough hands
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10-10-2014 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by marek_heinz
im not a big fan of the 3bet, but its clearly better than flatting
agree with this line of thinking, I'm either folding or 3-betting this hand pre(usually folding to a tightish reg). flatting here seems atrocious.
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