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09-21-2014 , 01:05 PM

imfromsweden

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Vs 2 unknowns. What is the standard play preflop?

Any way we play postflop differently?

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $173.79
CO: $100.00
BTN: $131.89
Hero (SB): $118.13
BB: $390.61
UTG: $110.06

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has K

fold, MP raises to $3.00, CO raises to $10.50, fold, Hero raises to $35.50, fold, fold, CO calls $25.00

Flop: ($75.00, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $20.00, CO calls $20.00

Turn: ($115.00, 2 players) Q

Hero bets $18.00, CO raises to $44.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $26.50

River: ($204.00, 2 players) 5

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09-21-2014 , 01:12 PM

mmk911

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I think calling preflop is better against unknowns. As played, small flop bet is ok, shove turn.

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09-21-2014 , 03:18 PM

DTLB

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This is not a hand I'd wanna cold 4-bet with oop.

With an SPR under 1, why not shove OTF? Why the progressively smaller bets on each street?

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09-21-2014 , 03:42 PM

guimz

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I like the small bet on the flop. shove turn tho.
against two unknowns i think it's too ambitious to cold 4b kings

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09-21-2014 , 03:49 PM

imfromsweden

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I see, thanks guys. So everyone is agreeing that pre is just a flat, no way to outright fold kings?

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09-21-2014 , 04:44 PM

Made man

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Could certainly fold worse kings, their equity very much depend on their sidecards. I don't mind the 4bet if they are active and btn 3bets 20%+ in this spot. Flat is my standard though, these kings play pretty well.

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09-21-2014 , 06:25 PM

F_Ivanovic

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If it was CO and BTN then 4-bet might be good but MP vs CO I don't love it. Turn bet size is really strange - I mean are you ever bluffing this amount? We also price in sets to just call. It's not like villain is going to call with worse FD's to this price but fold to a shove (nor is it likely villain just spaz ships to this sizing - but if you reckon he does then I guess it's good) I probably bet slightly more on flop ($25-$27) and then either check turn to induce or ship.

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09-21-2014 , 11:48 PM

alexo18

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Depends a ton on mp - co stats

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09-22-2014 , 02:11 AM

Lazaro

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

If it was CO and BTN then 4-bet might be good but MP vs CO I don't love it.

Hard to say much more than this.

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09-22-2014 , 02:44 AM

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getthatmoney

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I fold preflop (unless ds). You run into AA too often if you 4b and you dont hit enough flops when you call. Kinda surprised everybody is calling, seems like a rly clear fold to me.

If ranges are very wide you can 4bet, but you dont have that info.

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09-22-2014 , 07:55 AM

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NMcNasty

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I think this is barely OK vs two unknowns at this level.

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09-22-2014 , 12:05 PM

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Kingandtheduck

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Cute sizing post - care to elaborate on your thoughts?

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09-22-2014 , 12:30 PM

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imfromsweden

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My thoughts are basically that I want to induce a float on the flop, and on the turn I made it small because I'm not relly afraid of any hands - sets excluded but don't think they make up a large portion if his range. I don't want to ever give him an excuse to fold a straight here and you never know at 100plo, people do the most interesting things if you give them the chance. Probably won't use the same sizing if I play vs reasonably competent players, but yea thought i'd be OK as an exploitable play.

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09-22-2014 , 03:22 PM

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DaCus3

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If you are betting the flop to induce a float why wouldnt u check the turn and let him bluff?

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09-22-2014 , 04:10 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by imfromsweden

... Probably won't use the same sizing if I play vs reasonably competent players ...

I think it might be better if you can play well afterwards. It seems like flushes can gain >10 bb, and bare AA/KK aren't hurt enough EV-wise but occasionally run into awkward spots on the turn. Villain should probably continue ~40% vs. a shove and ~50% vs. this bet.

Open-jamming your entire range is simple and effective though.

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09-22-2014 , 04:12 PM

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imfromsweden

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Originally Posted by DaCus3

If you are betting the flop to induce a float why wouldnt u check the turn and let him bluff?

Sorry I meant light calls not pure bluffs per say

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