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09-25-2014 , 07:17 AM

imfromsweden

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UTG and BB are big fish, BTN is a normal regular. What's our line?

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $105.66
BB: $232.68
UTG: $173.53
CO: $100.00
BTN: $450.43

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has A

UTG calls $1.00, fold, BTN calls $1.00, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $4.00, UTG calls $4.00, BTN calls $4.00

Flop: ($20.00, 4 players) 4

Hero bets $18.00, fold, fold, BTN calls $18.00

Turn: ($56.00, 2 players) 5

Hero bets $53.48, BTN raises to $106.96, Hero calls $29.18 and is all-in

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09-25-2014 , 07:25 AM

hackprotech

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spew imo

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09-25-2014 , 07:35 AM

*Italian_Donk*

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i bet flop and i am ready to get in
turn i think it's an easy c/f

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09-25-2014 , 08:16 AM

NMcNasty

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Yeah I think against a "normal regular" you can safely c/f turn. He should get timid with his flush draws enough that you have some equity left.

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09-25-2014 , 10:35 AM

apo5tol

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Check/fold flop.
As played, check/fold turn.

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09-25-2014 , 10:39 AM

marek_heinz

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agree with apostol, thought I was crazy for a second

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09-25-2014 , 11:19 AM

*Italian_Donk*

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Originally Posted by apo5tol

Check/fold flop.
As played, check/fold turn.

ok, i review the range and i think that b/getin it's burning money
b/f flop? we have backdoor FD and we block a lot of set?

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09-25-2014 , 11:50 AM

Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by *Italian_Donk*

b/f flop? we have backdoor FD and we block a lot of set?

Roughly how often do you think you are folding out the field?

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 09-25-2014 at 12:14 PM. Reason: clarifying who I was responding to

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09-25-2014 , 12:07 PM

guimz

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4 ways oop that's a X/F.
turn is a check fold as played. You have between 10-15% against a gii range.

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09-25-2014 , 12:41 PM

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imfromsweden

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Don't you guys think BTNs range is wider than just low connected kind of hands? Can't he have Jxxx with some FDs or like KQJT/QQxxdd? Or am I misinterpreting BTNs range?

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09-25-2014 , 12:42 PM

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*Italian_Donk*

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

Roughly how often do you think you are folding out the field?

but we can have good equity vs a big calling range if we will go HU on turn

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09-25-2014 , 12:46 PM

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RIMike

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I think I'm willing to check call the flop, just to see if the flush and straights are avoided, then I'd progress from there.

I can't see folding the flop as some are saying. I know there is only a single ace that is immediate to the nuts help, but a 4 or 6 give us a weak boat. Unless I'm facing heavy (pot-sized) pressure, I'm not going to throw this away just yet...

Am I wrong to consider a call on a not so heavily bet turn hoping to fill up, even with the straight already out there?

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09-25-2014 , 12:49 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by *Italian_Donk*

but we can have good equity vs a big calling range if we will go HU on turn

Okay, roughly how often do you get called in one spot and then get a decent+ turn for your hand?

These aren't rhetorical questions, btw -- I was expecting estimates.

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09-25-2014 , 03:52 PM

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hackprotech

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flop is an easy c/f 4 handed. No discussion needed. turn is just pure spew.

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09-25-2014 , 04:04 PM

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Czech Rays

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Imagine your hand as Ah4h2c6c, which is basically the same hand, arguably less troublesome for you since the Ad can no longer be such a noose around your neck on a later street. Your hand hasn´t so much improved as counterfeited itself.

You still want to almost pot this hand into 3 people?

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09-26-2014 , 12:51 AM

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UnitedAs1

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I agree with a lot of people checking flop is best imo ... The other 3 players in this pot are deep also so I don't know how out of line there going to get, There might even be a good chance this gets checked through.

but yeah c/f flop turn is also c/f

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