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02-23-2014 , 01:08 AM
I marked the hand ingame, so unfortunately I don't have stats. It was zoom.
Turn I probably should bet bigger. Do you pot the turn?
With raising utg, ch/c twice and donking big oop I don't see him bluffing enough to make that call. What do you think?


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($103)
BB ($102)
UTG ($357)
UTG+1 ($122)
Hero ($100)
BTN ($74.83)

Dealt to Hero Q A J Q

UTG raises to $3.50, fold, Hero calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($12) 5 3 T

UTG checks, Hero bets $8, BTN folds, UTG calls $8

TURN ($28) 5 3 T Q

UTG checks, Hero bets $18, UTG calls $18

RIVER ($64) 5 3 T Q 9

UTG bets $44.06,
Spoiler:
Hero folds

UTG wins $61.20
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02-23-2014 , 01:18 AM
I bet ~24 on turn. River is probably a good fold. The J tempts me to be a hero but think w/o reads fold is best
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02-23-2014 , 06:01 AM
Bet bigger on the turn. I can't bring myself to fold the river. What KJ/J8 hands does he cc the flop with? And you have a blocker. You can't fold a blocker.
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02-23-2014 , 05:25 PM
His utg raising range is high card heavy. Think he is often check calling with hands like akj10 or aakj since he's probably getting bluffraised a lot on that board. I also think he's more likely to go for the check raise with blockers like akk10 on the river, since it's more credible and he's sometimes getting a bluff out of a low busted wrap
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02-23-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WiWaise
His utg raising range is high card heavy. Think he is often check calling with hands like akj10 or aakj since he's probably getting bluffraised a lot on that board. I also think he's more likely to go for the check raise with blockers like akk10 on the river, since it's more credible and he's sometimes getting a bluff out of a low busted wrap
true, but since we are readless i still wonīt advocate folding near the top of our range, esp with a blocker and the possibility of him valuebetting worse.
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02-23-2014 , 05:48 PM
what worse hands is he valuebetting? The only possibility would be set 10s and I think that would be too thin + he's almost never taking that line with 3 10s.
And what is a hand he would bluff here?
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02-23-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WiWaise
what worse hands is he valuebetting? The only possibility would be set 10s and I think that would be too thin + he's almost never taking that line with 3 10s.
And what is a hand he would bluff here?
LOL villain has 3 10s 0.000%

The only possible hands he could be valuebetting worse is 99xx and Q9xx or QT if he's a passive weirdo

As for the hand, I'm prob calling and expecting to lose most of the time. How often is obv the million $ question here, but readless I think it's approx neuteral EV.
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02-23-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by WiWaise
what worse hands is he valuebetting? The only possibility would be set 10s and I think that would be too thin + he's almost never taking that line with 3 10s.
And what is a hand he would bluff here?
yeah, it is a spot where people usually rarely bluff, but he is unknown, you did underrep your hand a little bit with your betsizing, imo this is just a very close spot where prob both options donīt really matter much EV wise. having the blocker and being a calling station leads me to call though...
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02-24-2014 , 03:55 AM
Top of your range, one of the best bluffcatchers, potodds, unknown villain = call
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