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05-09-2014 , 08:36 AM

ndahlhoff10

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Merge, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26708701

Hero (BTN): $256.07 (256.1 bb)
SB: $58.55 (58.6 bb)
BB: $97.56 (97.6 bb)
CO: $179.62 (179.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

CO folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($20) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15

River: ($50) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero (35)

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Vil is 67/17, 13% agg, 78% f2cb (27), 2 of 4 f2cb ott, 23% sd, 134 hands

Think he calls 2pair + almost always and sometimes just Kx hands, though not sure.

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05-10-2014 , 11:55 AM

IBETUFOLD33

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I'm def shoving against all decent-good players.

This is too close. Villain is gonna fold ~70%, Call ~15% and lose, call ~15% and win.

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05-10-2014 , 12:31 PM

SNGplayer24

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looks like a straightforward x/c

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05-10-2014 , 01:06 PM

BigAisaOK

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This be a shove.

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05-10-2014 , 01:28 PM

SNGplayer24

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Originally Posted by SNGplayer24

looks like a straightforward x/c

edit - we're in position - im an idiot

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05-10-2014 , 03:18 PM

Grethe

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Shove against any thinking player

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05-11-2014 , 12:31 AM

peez88

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Hi guys, new to plo and wonder why this is an easy shove vs any thinking player because what will he call us with? Or is it an easy shove as he will fold river most of time? So you put him on a lot of missed draws?

Thx

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05-11-2014 , 06:40 AM

Jabonator

nice piano there

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Every draw missed, so thinking players will know this, and will bluffcatch with pretty much all 2 pair hands, and some 1 pair hands as well.

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05-13-2014 , 01:22 AM

Quadtwos

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A thinking players will check-call two streets with less than top two, and than check call an allin on river with hands worse than middle two?

Interesting definition of a 'thinking player'.

I fail to see how any thinking player will play that passively on flop and turn, and continue to call with a worse hand on river.

What do we put the 'thinking player' on with the action so far (flat a preflop raise, check-call both flop and turn)?

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05-13-2014 , 03:55 AM

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guimz

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a thinking player will call with any pairs 2 here.
With so many draws that missed vilain might as well find a call with AK...
the question here is are we getting called more often by worse than by the goods?
We are beat by sets(extremely unlikely as played), and any Kings up which are also unlikely. Betting here is fine. Should be EV+ against a decent player. Thing that worries me is that 13% agg frequency. Against that kind of passive fool I would check river here.

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05-13-2014 , 06:27 AM

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F_Ivanovic

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Villain is unlikely a thinking player given his stats. His SD is also pretty low so not sure he'll be hero calling too much 1 pair hands. Also because he's passive and has a high fold to c-bet usually he can still show up with the occasional set here. Despite all this I think a shove is still just about OK. It's probably a BE play.

What do we think about betting smaller though? Against this particular villain I kind of like betting $15-$20

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05-13-2014 , 08:05 AM

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apo5tol

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Easiest shove in the world, expecting to get looked up by hands as weak as Jx

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05-13-2014 , 09:03 AM

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Kojika

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Checking river is so bad, shove all day long

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05-14-2014 , 06:42 AM

#14

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S

What SN is this?

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Easy jam, expect to lose more than a lot of river value shoves though.

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05-15-2014 , 09:58 AM

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SuperNutsFR

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shove bro,

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