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| Small Stakes PL Omaha Discussion of 1/2 and below pot-limit Omaha poker |
02-05-2012, 10:18 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Colombia
Posts: 4,271
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100 6m, barreling some blockers
On Game, $1/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11791892
SB: $115.05 (115.1 bb)
BB: $127.75 (127.8 bb)
UTG: $49 (49 bb)
MP: $120.60 (120.6 bb)
CO: $116.60 (116.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $258.29 (258.3 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with T  6  9  T 
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7
Flop: ($21) Q  J  9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12
Turn: ($45) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $25, BB calls $25
River: ($95) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $95, BB has $80 left
Vil is 46/33/1.9ag
He's 3betting 16% after 81 hands, but not cbetting much. 31% in reg pots and 1 of 4 in 3bet pots.
I barreled turn thinking I'd get him off lots of overpairs +heart type hands. After he called I thought maybe he peeled those since my sizing ott was a bit small, plus he can have a decent amount of AKQ*, Q*h*h type hands that he'd fold the river with. Maybe he'd fold T8 as well. I do have the 9/6 boat blockers as well as my straight blockers. Thoughts?
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02-06-2012, 12:34 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,908
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Pre is fine
Flop is OK if you plan on barreling turn, but just skimming on his stats he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that likes to fold in general and also seems to not be any good at the game. Usually not the kind of guy to be making big bluffs on.
Either way, bet much bigger if you bet flop planning to barrel; you're getting more FE and you'll be stealing more off of him if he calls then folds later.
Turn is interesting, I see merits for betting but definitely bet bigger, like at least 33$.
I hate the river bet, you're risking so much to fold out so little. The only hand that you beat that he folds to a bet is Qhxhxx. Lots of SD value too, so checking back is far and away better in my admitedly beer addled mind.
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02-06-2012, 01:24 AM
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What SN is this?
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
you really think TT has showdown value here? i dont see many hands that call the turn that lose to TT at showdown
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02-06-2012, 12:20 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,970
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Dont think we have much SDV here. Still not sure if i like or hate that line. Against this villain most likely not.
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02-06-2012, 01:44 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Im colder than BR add another 3 R's
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Gotta have 0 showdown value here
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02-06-2012, 02:03 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Montreal
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
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Originally Posted by yrmom
Pre is fine
Flop is OK if you plan on barreling turn, but just skimming on his stats he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that likes to fold in general and also seems to not be any good at the game. Usually not the kind of guy to be making big bluffs on.
Either way, bet much bigger if you bet flop planning to barrel; you're getting more FE and you'll be stealing more off of him if he calls then folds later.
Turn is interesting, I see merits for betting but definitely bet bigger, like at least 33$.
I hate the river bet, you're risking so much to fold out so little. The only hand that you beat that he folds to a bet is Qhxhxx. Lots of SD value too, so checking back is far and away better in my admitedly beer addled mind.
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02-06-2012, 02:22 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Maybe you could just call Preflop and avoid this low SPR situation with an overall loose player and a medium-wet-pair. Could reduce the variance.
Given everything as it happened, I think you're line is not consistent because you bet half pot on a draw-heavy board, then bet again on the pairing turn (what are you representing now? Maybe a Full House, but it would be risky policy betting half the pot with a set or top two on the flop), when a blank hits a river you bet the full pot.
From your opponents perspective (whatever he might have, this is for me hard to figure out. Maybe a straight, maybe Overpair + fd) you just have nothing but blockers. I dont see a hand which is not a bluff taking your line.
But, as I really need to say, I am not an expert at PLO. So those are just my thoughts and I would be glad if someone could correct me.
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02-06-2012, 02:40 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Finland
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemay002
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Ott.
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02-06-2012, 03:10 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 538
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Pre your hand is mostly around steal equity.. I don't think betting into 46/33/16 is profitable, especially if hes cally. Your hand is kinda crappy on floppability, so if he 3bets you are typically playing fit-or-fold unless he's floatable. Typically you'd see a high cbet and low turn AF% or whatever.
Like ^^ said, the postflop betting pattern makes no sense. A straight bets the flop bigger to protect its hand, maybe sets, and steals. Betting 2p is risky but you're mostly turning your hand into a bluff.
Turn pairs - now you rep QJ. Isolated the bet makes sense, but that's more of a checkback hand OTF. not with the weird flop bet.
But maybe villain is newish. In that case, after the second call, I think you're done. Checkback and see what villain calls two weird lines with on a wet flop/turn.
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02-06-2012, 03:20 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Goez Awn
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
would alter flop turn sizings a bit but wp
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02-06-2012, 03:26 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Im colder than BR add another 3 R's
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Don't understand the people saying flop and turn doesn't add up.
When villain checks this flop to us, imo he very rarely has 2 pair or better(even less likely IMO since we have 2 Tens)
Betting straight/2 pair on flop as hero seems pretty std, and considering most villain c/c ranges I don't see why this turn should really scare us all that much with a straight.
Cliffs: flop/turn seems pretty standard with 2 pair+ on flop and straights/boats on turn.
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02-06-2012, 04:21 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 538
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
Maybe. Why bet 2 pair on this board? What hands would call it that you beat, besides a naked FD? You can also get bluff raised off a hand, but maybe pick up a random bluff when a blank rolls off the turn/river.
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02-06-2012, 04:41 PM
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banned
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 50
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
check river and get shown 108 or JJ minimum imo
0 showdown value, and i doubt you have fold equity
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02-06-2012, 04:46 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,577
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
OFF TOPIC: Your location says MI but you're playing Ongame? Are you playing in Canada?
ON TOPIC: I like the river bluff, doubt we win a lot of showdowns with our hand.
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02-06-2012, 05:59 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Re: 100 6m, barreling some blockers
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Don't understand the people saying flop and turn doesn't add up.
When villain checks this flop to us, imo he very rarely has 2 pair or better(even less likely IMO since we have 2 Tens)
Betting straight/2 pair on flop as hero seems pretty std, and considering most villain c/c ranges I don't see why this turn should really scare us all that much with a straight.
Cliffs: flop/turn seems pretty standard with 2 pair+ on flop and straights/boats on turn.
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I am not a specialist with Omaha's ranges but shouldnt the Jack and Queens be right in the middle of a 16% range (If his actual range is anywhere near that)?
For him to actually call on the Flop he needs to have something with incentive to show down. On the Turn the situation is: Hero has near Air+Blockers, BB has something with incentive to see the Showdown. And now the half-pot bet strikes me. If he is going to just call this one after the board has paired(!), then the River Bluff is near desperation (I think) PLUS it is perfect if Hero hangs himself with this bet. If he raises Hero plays perfectly and folds anyway.
Okay now after reading my own text, I think the River Bluff could actually be OK - given that BB gives up if faced with such a big bet.
But given the line before the River, plus the looseness of BB; I don't know. Just sucks.
Besides this Situation with a medium Pair just sucks I think.
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