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 4-bet pot facing turn decision w/nfd  4-bet pot facing turn decision w/nfd

04-09-2016 , 04:40 PM
How to approach this versus what is seemingly a maniac?

Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $17.47 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2.7, Hands: 30815
Seat 3: Player3 ( $30.41 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $18.18 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $10.62 USD ) - VPIP: 91, PFR: 36, 3B: 43, AF: 1.3, Hands: 11
Player6 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ T Q A K ]
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.30 USD]
Player3 folds
Player4 calls [$0.30 USD]
Player6 raises [$0.40 USD]
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Player4 folds
Player6 calls [$1.30 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9, 2, 9 ]
Player6 checks
Hero bets [$1.95 USD]
Player6 calls [$1.95 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ J ]
Player6 bets [$6.87 USD]

I have $6.25 to call off.
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04-10-2016 , 04:02 AM
I really got trouble reading the pot size / stack sizes / raise sizes due to this awkwards hand format. The turn itself is a close one, but since this play doensn't seem to be capable of playing reasonable poker I would give it a crying call, make a note and try to get to the turn with a more comfortable SPR next time, that is, betting the flop either smaller or bigger.

Offtopic: Your PFR is pretty low. I guess you've got some leaks in your opening ranges.
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04-10-2016 , 05:05 AM
Call. Close though. But...

Igitt igitt!
Whatever you did in that hand won't cut in your wr/ceiling even remotely close than your habit of playing 29/14/5 over significant sample size. Gotta reconsider your preflop hand selection
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04-10-2016 , 03:12 PM
I prefer to x/r flop.
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04-10-2016 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rulaZ
Offtopic: Your PFR is pretty low. I guess you've got some leaks in your opening ranges.
I think it's difficult to make a judgement about PFR suitability without looking at RFI stats. My PFR is slightly lower, at 13.4, but my RFI are EP 9.7, MP 15.8, CO 35.0, BTN 60.0, SB 34.8. So my PFR looks low, but I figure that my RFI are reasonable.
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04-11-2016 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
I prefer to x/r flop.
I am IP.

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I think it's difficult to make a judgement about PFR suitability without looking at RFI stats. My PFR is slightly lower, at 13.4, but my RFI are EP 9.7, MP 15.8, CO 35.0, BTN 60.0, SB 34.8.
This and almost exactly (MP is identical) except for button where I open 45%. I play in games where there are a lot of open limps and I'm not iso'ing hands that don't flop well mw because I expect the overwhelming majority of hands to be 3-5 ways.

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Igitt igitt!
Whatever you did in that hand won't cut in your wr/ceiling even remotely close than your habit of playing 29/14/5 over significant sample size. Gotta reconsider your preflop hand selection


idk. I think it's safe to say I'm running hot but I also think it's safe to say that I'm going to be some sort of decent winner at these stakes anyhow. I'm also not saying that I don't need to tweak some (maybe a lot of) things. I'm trying to get better. I read a lot and I watch some videos from RIO. I had to cashout a bunch of my roll a couple months ago which killed my will to play but I'm going to be putting $2k online within the next two weeks and hopefully grinding up and getting better.

I'm curious what people think ideal stats would be in a l/p game. I could nutpeddle but that's no fun and I doubt I'd have made anywhere close to what I have by doing so.

Last edited by .isolated; 04-11-2016 at 03:16 PM.
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04-11-2016 , 07:07 PM
I think having a higher VPIP/PFR gap is always likely to happen through microstakes.

The gap would of course be smaller if isolating players was far more likely but limp/calling is too common not to have a higher gap.

I too have this problem, playing somewhere around 26/13.
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04-11-2016 , 07:19 PM
Regardless of how low/micro plays you should still probably be opening more. PFR of 18 looks more reasonable? I don't really do HUD's though, so just a guess. Also 3b of 5 looks too low.

Anyway, onto the hand. I kind of like a flop check. There's little to protect against with a bet - and we can always bluff later on in the hand since we can credibly rep an overpair with a flop check. Betting 1/3 pot is also good. Really dislike the sizing you used. Prob call as played.

Side note; kind of confusing saying it's a 4b pot. Technically it is, but really it's just a slightly bloated 3b pot.
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04-11-2016 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
I prefer to x/r flop.
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I am IP.
Clearly I didn't read the HH at all
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