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01-16-2013 , 09:36 AM
i think when i lost few big pots vs fishy player i'm start playing overagressive. what do you think it is the best way to calm down? thanks.
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01-16-2013 , 10:21 AM
Sit out for a few hands and walk around the house, compose urself
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01-16-2013 , 10:24 AM
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Sit out for a few hands and walk around the house, compose urself
but fish will leave in this time
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01-16-2013 , 11:49 AM
If people leave the game when you sit out, I have bad news for you...
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01-16-2013 , 12:50 PM
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If people leave the game when you sit out, I have bad news for you...
I'm playing HU
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01-16-2013 , 01:07 PM
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If people leave the game when you sit out, I have bad news for you...
lol
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01-16-2013 , 01:10 PM
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so I'd have to win 100BI at PLO25, PLO50 and PLO100, and 25BI at PLO200? how fast could I do it? Maybe a week from PLO25 to 50, 10 days from PLO50 to 100, 2 weeks from 100 to 200, 3 days at 200.
I amount of jealousy I have for you after reading how you make this claim look so trivial, is bordering on hatred.

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nahh just kidding man, no hatred....pure RESPECT. I think I admire you most for being a father and obviously being able to balance family life with poker. Not many of the kids in this forum can fathom how hard that is.
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01-16-2013 , 03:08 PM
Yeah when I read that I cried.

Reading stuff like that is not only inspiring but it also keeps my ego in check which is great cos it's easier to accept that I'm not as awesome as I like to think I am sometimes.

I just keep telling myself the only thing that stands in my way is time.
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02-08-2013 , 06:15 AM
I'm obv very late to the party but I'll chime in since I very much relate to your age and social situation, just one kid behind Congratz on the breakthrough year and finding the balance with your family! We haven't played much together but at first glance you seemed like another tough super aggro scandi monkey Now I see there's a method to the madness

My questions are:

1). Biggest downswing in BIs? Graph?
2). Longest downswing by time frame?
3). Do you invest your winnings? How do you feel about the stock market?
4). How does $150K/year income rate in Finnland? I've heard it's very expensive over there.
5). Do you own your home or you rent it?
6). What's the family car you got when the second kid appeared?
7). Favourite soccer club team?
8). Favourite soccer player?
9). What time do you get up in the morning?
10). Do you have a morning routine? Care to share?
11). How did your coach convince you back then to start evaluating opponent's range first and then play according to it no matter your hand? I have a student now who I keep on repeating this mantra day in and day out and he still can't come about this way of thinking.

Thanks for this well. It is very interesting and much appreciated
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02-08-2013 , 06:55 AM
sick giraffe, very good job. are there any HU hands in that 2012 graph?
if so, what is your hu c-bet %? ty
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02-08-2013 , 08:44 AM
I saw your zoom graph in the other thread and now your (deepstacked-?) graph.
Would you ever start with zoom again? Would you generelly advice someone to play rather 2 tables zoom than 6 tables regular ring games on the lower stakes like PLO10-PLO100?
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02-08-2013 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by antchev
I'm obv very late to the party but I'll chime in since I very much relate to your age and social situation, just one kid behind Congratz on the breakthrough year and finding the balance with your family! We haven't played much together but at first glance you seemed like another tough super aggro scandi monkey Now I see there's a method to the madness

My questions are:

1). Biggest downswing in BIs? Graph?
2). Longest downswing by time frame?
3). Do you invest your winnings? How do you feel about the stock market?
4). How does $150K/year income rate in Finnland? I've heard it's very expensive over there.
5). Do you own your home or you rent it?
6). What's the family car you got when the second kid appeared?
7). Favourite soccer club team?
8). Favourite soccer player?
9). What time do you get up in the morning?
10). Do you have a morning routine? Care to share?
11). How did your coach convince you back then to start evaluating opponent's range first and then play according to it no matter your hand? I have a student now who I keep on repeating this mantra day in and day out and he still can't come about this way of thinking.

Thanks for this well. It is very interesting and much appreciated
Glad to hear it
lol, I think you were my very last villain of 2012, some 200bb pot as I recall.

Also, inb4 chinz :

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1. Check out the September graphs thread of 2012, was about 35k at 2/4, 3/6

2. damn... not really sure, might have been 3 weeks when I was playing PLO100

3. not yet, but I'm planning to. Current goal is to pay off the mortgage and still have a healthy roll for PLO1k, most likely gonna put anything extra into stocks/real estate/my own company

4. I only know that the average income in 2011 was like 3k euro/month. cost of living/housing is a lot higher in urban areas

5. own it, prob obv from referring to my mortgage above. fwiw, I currently live in a 100m2 house that cost us 188k. Not cheap, but nowhere near Helsinki prices

6. I'm a Toyota man, upgraded my Auris to a 7-seater Verso. Balla, eh?

7. Tottenham Hotspur

8. The one and only Jari Litmanen

9. Morning? Recently made a deal with the wife to get up at 2pm regardless of when I go to bed. Gives me about 6-7hrs with the boys before they go to bed minus stuff like floorball practice

10. not really, a glass of orange juice maybe

11. I think ur student might be the type who hates spewing and wants to play it safe. It's very hard to disregard the actual strength of ur hand in that mindset. I was already a player who had the hunger to bluff his way into winning every pot, but I didn't optimize my lines/sizing enough based on villain's range and my perceived range before my coach got into the mix.

Above all, you need to make him stop worrying about making a mistake or wasting chips. You can't get good at PLO without a fair amount of trial and error.

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5
sick giraffe, very good job. are there any HU hands in that 2012 graph?
if so, what is your hu c-bet %? ty
Very few, I sometimes start 6max tables, but pretty much never play HU tables. HU is a bit too intense for my liking, at least when it comes to grinding. I also hate the idea of sitting and waiting for some sucker to sit with me.

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Originally Posted by Kreatief
I saw your zoom graph in the other thread and now your (deepstacked-?) graph.
Would you ever start with zoom again? Would you generelly advice someone to play rather 2 tables zoom than 6 tables regular ring games on the lower stakes like PLO10-PLO100?
Zoom is great when you wanna play for volume effectively. It's a lot easier to play 4 Zoom tables instead of 10-12 regular ones. That said, Zoom is also a lot nittier on average, so there's a lot more pre-RB value found in table-selecting at regular tables. You just need to determine how much this dynamic effects ur bottom line.
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02-08-2013 , 11:43 AM
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Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Finland, on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries. Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries instead refers to this broader group.
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02-08-2013 , 05:14 PM
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3. not yet, but I'm planning to. Current goal is to pay off the mortgage and still have a healthy roll for PLO1k, most likely gonna put anything extra into stocks/real estate/my own company
Doing wha? Would you go for a safe company steady business or a risky life changer?

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7. Tottenham Hotspur
If your ever in London be sure to hit me up - we'll catch a game & beers
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02-08-2013 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by antchev
11). How did your coach convince you back then to start evaluating opponent's range first and then play according to it no matter your hand? I have a student now who I keep on repeating this mantra day in and day out and he still can't come about this way of thinking.
This point is debatable. In NLHE, it's easy to play without a hand. In PLO, it's preferable to have at least backdoor equity or a blocker when bluffing. So I can't base my decisions on opps' ranges only. There are decisions where they're indeed the main factor, e.g. opening a marginal hand, 3-betting, facing a postflop raise. But for my own aggressive postflop acts (bluffs too), my equity and the interaction of my perceived range with the board matter, don't they?
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11. I think ur student might be the type who hates spewing and wants to play it safe.
I bet he is if he's Bulgarian
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I was already a player who had the hunger to bluff his way into winning every pot
I wish this mindset worked for me (but I'm constantly forgetting to valuebet thin and give credit to postflop raises).
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Above all, you need to make him stop worrying about making a mistake or wasting chips. You can't get good at PLO without a fair amount of trial and error.
That's very solid advice, thx!
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02-08-2013 , 06:58 PM
The worst hangover?
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02-08-2013 , 08:57 PM
Finished my firstborn's "varpajaiset" (wetting the babies toes party or w/e) with some absinthe > got a taxi in the morning to the finals of molf world champs > couple hrs in we had to climb some steep hill to get to location > started puking like crazy all over the woods. Got no relief from that and the guys had to give me a ride home before next location. First ever DNF in the event's history, lol
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02-08-2013 , 09:00 PM
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Doing wha? Would you go for a safe company steady business or a risky life changer?
Well, not sure if I'd ever get the same rush as I do from PLO, lol. prob something in green-tech.

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gonna hold u to that one
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03-03-2013 , 03:16 PM
lately I've been thinking about a few situations that come up often, one is fairly trivial, and the other seems more complicated. (to me at least)

Firstly, when can we flat rough single suited kings in the small blind?
KKQ4s KKT8ss KK46ss ect.

I feel like this is usually a -EV defend unless the pot is multiway.(especially vs like a 16/10/3 nittish reg from ep/Mp) What's ur thoughts on this? Do we need to be the 3rd person into the hand to be flatting raises here.


Secondly, Can/should we be trying to protect our 3betting blind range to 3 card unpaired boards under 9?

Often I obligated to check/fold or bet/fold in these spots when i 3bet from the blinds vs one or two, on boards like 457 689 379 ect

I guess I'm somewhat protected because of my AA56 ds type hands, but I feel like I have to give up far too often here. I suspect the way to protect yourself would be to include the top of your medium card rundowns range, like 6789ds-9TJQds, but I'm not sure.

If that is the case, can we squeeze these type of hands too? Let's say, PLO 25-50
utg folds,
mp opens (a reg with 25% 1st open from mp)
co flats (60+ vpip)
button folds
sb flats ( unknown with 30/20/5 over 50 hands)
Hero is BB and is contemplating his 3bet pot range.

What is our squeezing range?
If I were to anwser this question, I'd say it should be almost entirely for value. Something like 89TJds-JQKAds KKxxds + AAxxds
and probably only like the top 30% of double suited kings. Almost all these just dont connect on small flops. Am I over thinking this, and should just be happily check/folding these hands on the rainbow/backdoor 457 689 348 259 ect boards? I feel like even if the spr, is as low as 2 and I'm only facing two opponents this is still a negative ev bet/call off. It feels like 90% of the time one is willing to get it in with you, and usually has more then 65% equity. The cbet into two to take down the pot just never gets through on these boards.

I'd like to hear how a more experienced plo player thinks about this common scenario. Thanks~
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03-05-2013 , 01:29 AM
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Firstly, when can we flat rough single suited kings in the small blind?
KKQ4s KKT8ss KK46ss ect.

I feel like this is usually a -EV defend unless the pot is multiway.(especially vs like a 16/10/3 nittish reg from ep/Mp) What's ur thoughts on this? Do we need to be the 3rd person into the hand to be flatting raises here.
if we're talking 100bb deep, I generally prefer 3betting such kings overflatting, real raggy ones I often just fold since they play really poorly OOP. vs a nit HU I might be even nittier than that.

HU vs a non-nit reg opening LP u basically have 2 options: flat and c/r a lot of flops or 3bet and be prepared to get it in fairly light. It's really up to ur overall game plan. above all, avoid c/c down a lot after flatting pre.

You're correct in thinking that a multiway set mine is generally better for our hand, obv

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Secondly, Can/should we be trying to protect our 3betting blind range to 3 card unpaired boards under 9?

Often I obligated to check/fold or bet/fold in these spots when i 3bet from the blinds vs one or two, on boards like 457 689 379 ect

I guess I'm somewhat protected because of my AA56 ds type hands, but I feel like I have to give up far too often here. I suspect the way to protect yourself would be to include the top of your medium card rundowns range, like 6789ds-9TJQds, but I'm not sure.

If that is the case, can we squeeze these type of hands too? Let's say, PLO 25-50
utg folds,
mp opens (a reg with 25% 1st open from mp)
co flats (60+ vpip)
button folds
sb flats ( unknown with 30/20/5 over 50 hands)
Hero is BB and is contemplating his 3bet pot range.
checking flops that are bad for our 3betting range is perfectly fine. If you suspect villain is getting out of line with his stabs in such spots, just c/r him a ton.

as far as squeezing OOP goes, I do believe we need some high card strength to make it +EV as domination becomes more of an issue multiways, JT98ds is prob the bottom of my range. Most double-paired hands also get a ton of value when hitting a set in a multiway 3bet pot.

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What is our squeezing range?
If I were to anwser this question, I'd say it should be almost entirely for value. Something like 89TJds-JQKAds KKxxds + AAxxds
and probably only like the top 30% of double suited kings. Almost all these just dont connect on small flops. Am I over thinking this, and should just be happily check/folding these hands on the rainbow/backdoor 457 689 348 259 ect boards? I feel like even if the spr, is as low as 2 and I'm only facing two opponents this is still a negative ev bet/call off. It feels like 90% of the time one is willing to get it in with you, and usually has more then 65% equity. The cbet into two to take down the pot just never gets through on these boards.
It's a fairly broad question, but as long as you combine floppability with high card strength consistently you should be fine. couple pointers: at 100bb deep, go ahead and squeeze ALL KKds unless PFR is a huge nit. also look for a lot of c/r spots.
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03-06-2013 , 01:35 AM
So today button opened with a raise and he's got 73% open otb with 50bbs

Sb mucks and I'm thinking bout this thread and 3bet JJ97ds.

But lookin back it's probably spewy. This hand is a huge difference from ds kings.
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03-06-2013 , 02:07 AM
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JsJd9s7d59.53% 354,3965,537
73%40.47% 240,0675,537



as u can see, ur doing incredibly well on the vast majority of flops and vs a 50BB stack there's pretty much no turn play.

push dem nutz, boy!
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03-14-2013 , 10:49 PM
Just watched your first video on cardrunners. Loved it.

Keep em coming.
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03-14-2013 , 11:16 PM
much thanks

lots of comments and questions, plz!
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03-14-2013 , 11:21 PM
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Just watched your first video on cardrunners. Loved it.

Keep em coming.
haha i just saw it too and my eyes lit up. got my pen and paper ready and downloading as we speak
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