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1/2 zoom AKK5 4 bet pot, call river jam? 1/2 zoom AKK5 4 bet pot, call river jam?

12-23-2013 , 12:13 PM
    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21866481

    BTN: $598.39 (299.2 bb)
    SB: $201 (100.5 bb)
    BB: $110.74 (55.4 bb)
    UTG: $117.70 (58.9 bb)
    MP: $225.08 (112.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K 5 K
    2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BTN raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $57, BTN calls $39

    Flop: ($117) T T T (2 players)
    Hero bets $33, BTN calls $33

    Turn: ($183) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($183) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $171.19




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    Villian is 25/19/5.9 over 500 hands of 1/2 zoom. His fold to c bet in 3 bet pot in 50%, although i think that stat is somewhat irrelevant here as there is only one group of hands he can call the flop with. His street by street aggression is 2/2.5/6, but again, i think somewhat irrelevant.

    Do we call river? We're calling $110 into what will be a $400 pot so we nee to be good 25-30% of the time. I'm having trouble coming up with anything with beat. I don't think people jam QQ on this river because they expect all better to call and all worse to fold, i also don't think people float QJ89 type hands because they are drawing dead against a very big chunk of our range. Idk, maybe its a standard spot but just want to check.
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    12-23-2013 , 01:10 PM
    His 3bet is low so he should have lots of AA and rundowns with a T... when I was last in a situation like this the guy had quads :/ And you're calling 171 into 345?
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    12-23-2013 , 01:18 PM
    hm shove turn, tilt if he calls with tx and move on is what I do here
    as played probably a fold
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    12-23-2013 , 01:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CocteauTwin
    His 3bet is low so he should have lots of AA and rundowns with a T... when I was last in a situation like this the guy had quads :/ And you're calling 171 into 345?
    WE should have lots of AA, not villain

    i fold river
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    12-23-2013 , 01:33 PM
    folding river as well.
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    12-23-2013 , 02:29 PM
    Yeah dece spewy to float and try and win on this board and can't see him shoving worse for value so I'd guess sigh fold.
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    12-23-2013 , 03:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CocteauTwin
    His 3bet is low so he should have lots of AA and rundowns with a T... when I was last in a situation like this the guy had quads :/ And you're calling 171 into 345?
    Our stack is only $110 on the river.

    Copy / pasted from Zenfish at runitonce, hope thats okay mods but i really liked his reply -

    You probably aren't 4-betting a lot vs a 5.9% 3-bettor (AA, good AKK, some ds rundowns). You probably c-bet small with range. ds rundowns are rare, and good AKK aren't that common either. Hence, your river range is mostly AA.

    So you don't have to bluffcatch with KK from a call-enough-to-avoid-getting-exploited-pot-odds-wise point of view. Calling your T*** (assuming you play some this way) and AA** should prevent you from getting exploited, and then some.

    Now, we can debate whether Villain is ever bluffing. But he could have floated some weak hands to bluff you off overpairs later. So you can't fold all overpairs, but defending AA will suffice.
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    12-23-2013 , 06:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by napsus
    WE should have lots of AA, not villain

    i fold river
    Right, thought hero flat.
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    12-23-2013 , 09:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimmyhat1000
    Our stack is only $110 on the river.

    Copy / pasted from Zenfish at runitonce, hope thats okay mods but i really liked his reply -

    You probably aren't 4-betting a lot vs a 5.9% 3-bettor (AA, good AKK, some ds rundowns). You probably c-bet small with range. ds rundowns are rare, and good AKK aren't that common either. Hence, your river range is mostly AA.

    So you don't have to bluffcatch with KK from a call-enough-to-avoid-getting-exploited-pot-odds-wise point of view. Calling your T*** (assuming you play some this way) and AA** should prevent you from getting exploited, and then some.

    Now, we can debate whether Villain is ever bluffing. But he could have floated some weak hands to bluff you off overpairs later. So you can't fold all overpairs, but defending AA will suffice.
    This post sums up pretty much everything rather nicely. TBH I wouldn't even expect to be floated on this board all that much for obvious reasons.
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    12-23-2013 , 10:29 PM
    ****ing omaha in a nutshell....

    repping quads to try to get your opponent to fold the 3rd nuts.

    standard is to fold, but that's why its a good spot to bluff a lot of players.
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