Villain 1 otb(200$) in the hand is an old man, I just sat down a few minutes ago and dont have alot of reads on him other than he has 200$ and is really old

Villain 2 CO(1000$)is an Asian maniac, he pots 90% of the hands preflop, really bad post flop

Hero (300$), early thirties, just sat down and villain 2 knows I play tight.

Hero SB limps with the limpers with KJT8chdd

Flop(15$) JT9ccc
Checks through

Turn(15$) Js
Hero bets 15$
V2 calls
V1 raises to 30$ (min raise)
It folds around to hero

What's your play?

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Just fold. You are out of position. I don't think you have a great hand by any means. More then likely another T/J is gone and you are already beat

Folding the nut full house at this point just because a straight flush is possibly out there is awful imo against a complete unknown. Hero has the Kc blocker and there's no reason to believe hero is beat with the minimal reads and the action so far in this hand. He easily may have 99xx, TTxx, J9xx, or you may be chopping right now with JTxx and you're freerolling with your K. Maybe he's a fish and he's being silly with some sort of a random flush or air. All great news.

I wouldn't pot his turn raise because you may lose him completely if he has a lesser full house. The goal should be getting the stacks in by the river and with 100bb effective stacks preflop, there's no need to go crazy now and lose him.

I'd reraise to $80 and get it in if he comes back over the top or just jam any river card if he flats you.

Didn't see the turn my mistake. Was really tired haha.

Yea, make it like 80 and get it in if you can. Any river put the money in.

check turn unless you think fushes or straights call a bet there

now call the minraise and snapcheck all rivers. If he pots river, you can safely hate your life. Given you wrote "KJT8chdd", you block the Kc for straight flushes, so I don't think we would be folding.

Stacking off on turn is counterproductive, since it takes out (very unlikely) bluffs, and whatever he minraises for value or as a "freeze raise" he will valuebet on river or fold to a reraise. So we might as well just call and c/c rivers; old men aren't the kind to go wild with 99/TT here 4+ way anyway

I like the bet on the turn. Now just flat the raise. OMC could easily have a nut flush that he feels he F***ed up on the flop by slowplaying, now he's making up for it by raising.

c/c river.

Well I guess my question is, does he really min raise a full house here?
U guys know how live players just pot pot pot

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Just calling turn and checking river is missing out on a ton of value.

I think there is a mistake often made on this forums when people try to get too tricky or even try to get too caught up in the fundamentals, in regards to Live PLO decisions. This spot in your average live game is basically opponent dependent, how donk the opponent is, how they react to you making raises, putting bets at them etc.

The spot is simple enough that if Villain is really nitty then I'm flatting and then flatting river (most rivers anyway) as YrMom says. However, if opponent is kind of what I'm guessing an av 1/2 reg is, which is reasonably clueless etc then I'm just building a pot here making it like $70 and then setting him in on most rivers etc.

Again it's basically a spot where trying to garner a fundamentally correct answer isn't going to be that beneficial sadly but as advice goes just focus on your villains and learn how they're going to react in these spots and then adapt your lines to take the most profitable one vs each particular villain.

Well Fwiw later in the session I noticed that the whole table avoids this guy and he's just a really old really nitty player...

Back to the hand

Hero calls, maniac calls

River K

Villain ships, Hero?

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seeing as you effectively readless, but can assume hes tight, but might be a donk, you gotta raise turn and get it in, you have the nut FH and only losing to straight flush