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Old 06-18-2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

Playing 1/2 NL OMHAHA at house game, 5 way.

UTG- $250
CO - Villain 1 - $300
BTN - Villain 2 - $400
SB - Hero - $470
BB - $175

Hero is Dealt 9947 in small blind.
UTG - calls $2
Villain 1 - Calls $2
Villain 2 - Calls $2
Hero - Calls $1
BB - Checks

$10 Pot

FLOP: 10 9 5 (r)

UTG: Checks
Villain 1: Bets $20
Villain 1 is a solid winning player - generally very TAG but is more than capable of opening up game short handed. Never has Air opening 2x pot here - most likely has some sort of combination of the following: QJ, 78 + overs (most likely a Q), 10 9, 10 5, 9 5, or 55 - Villain wouldnt open 2x pot with 10 10 - took that out of his range
Villain 2: - Re-raises to $70
Villain 2 knows that villain 1 is opening a lot of drawing hands right here. This is almost always (90%+) a value bet from Villain 2. Put his range on something like JJQx, QQJx ( though he would usually raise PF here - but not always), 10 9, 10 5, 9 5, 5 5, 10 10.
Hero: Flopped a set of 9s ???

Considering this is no limit, and i can ship it anytime, what should my play here be?
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:28 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

This is the wrong forum for this hand. You need to post this in the small stakes PLO forum (I think?). And what are you guys doing playing no limit omaha? Also, you need to inclue the suits of your hand and the board. As played, fold. you have no money in this pot and could be crushed.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:32 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

well you didnt list the action properly, b/c you're the SB and would have been first to act on the flop. You also make no mention of suits which is pretty important, so we'll assume it's rainbow board with a rainbow hand. Anyway, you should be 3betting/4betting/5betting/whatever 100% of the time with mid set given the action.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:34 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

The flop was rainbow (which i posted), suits play no part.
I checked flop
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:37 AM   #5
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

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As played, fold. you have no money in this pot and could be crushed.
Tens are the only hand that I am crushed by, I should read the re-raise as tens only here?
I agree his range is weighted toward the heavier side - high two pair, open ended with over pair, or set - but im not sure I should ever fold here
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:42 AM   #6
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Flopped TOP sets are nice on the flop but are likely to be crushed as the hand progresses.

Even if you shovel it in you wont be doing it as the statistical favorite 3 way, unless they both are sharing outs. And even then, im not sure you would be favorite with your very marginal holding.

With mid set? Id fold. Your frequency of nut peddling hands has to be higher in this game. Your hand... Very unlikely to improve if dominated. And your chances of being dominated are high, seeing so much action on flop.

One of them has set of 10s, the other has a superwrap. Think like the paranoid nits in this forum and you'll be better off in plo/nlo.

And next time,

please fold 9947 preflop, or at least raise with it. Completing it in SB is donkalicious. The hand sucks.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:45 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

I absolutely positively hate middle sets on boards like these. Only good thing is table is short handed. Call and hope for a blank on turn. I'd fold turn if a K, Q, J, 8, or 7 hit. If we get a blank or boat up we can shove turn. If V re-raises and other V shoves then we'd have enough odds/equity to get it in.

Omaha is high variance. Just the way it is. A wrap is ahead of our set so we don't want to shove first. We want to peel off a blank on turn then shove. But if both V's end up shoving flop we can call.

Incidentally, I would have folded pre. 9947 is a crap hand
Hate it when SB costs me money.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:50 AM   #8
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Omaha is high variance. (...) But if both V's end up shoving flop we can easily fold.
Fixed.

Sorry dgiharris. I often like your insights in nlh but this abomination of a hand is terribad in omaha. Comparable to limping on the button in nlh with 27o hoping to flop trip 2s in a family pot imo
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:20 PM   #9
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I absolutely positively hate middle sets on boards like these. Only good thing is table is short handed. Call and hope for a blank on turn. I'd fold turn if a K, Q, J, 8, or 7 hit. If we get a blank or boat up we can shove turn. If V re-raises and other V shoves then we'd have enough odds/equity to get it in.

Omaha is high variance. Just the way it is. A wrap is ahead of our set so we don't want to shove first. We want to peel off a blank on turn then shove. But if both V's end up shoving flop we can call.

Incidentally, I would have folded pre. 9947 is a crap hand
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Ehhh, i hate middle set in a raised pot, but considering this was limped thats huge for us. Not sure I like the outs you counted considering how the hand is evolving. V1 overbets it, which looks more like a "please fold" bet, most often done with 2 pair. 2 pair is entirely possible given he limped. V2 pots an unraised flop. This doesnt seem like a draw to me, as you usually see people doing that in raised pots as a semi-bluff. I'd lean more on putting V2 on bottom set, the both of them on 2 pair, and maybe a single wrap out there but nothing we cant dodge. I think we're only dodging the higher straights, so Q/J are the real scary cards. If we can dodge thsoe 6 outs I think we're doing pretty well.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

Okay, here we go. First, you only have four clean out (9 and 3 5's). A ten makes you an under full where I can see 109 (maybe 105) showing up here quite often.

Also, you can be up against wraps that just about cover half the deck, twice. Let alone the fact it's not inconceivable your drawing dead to top set.

Your looking at a 2xPSB and a PSR. You have 2 dollars vested in the pot. I think the best option here is fold. If your looking for the high variance play. Flat and shove non-scare turn. But I lean heavily to folding. Get your money in a better spot.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:24 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

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I think the best option here is fold. If your looking for the high variance play. Flat and shove non-scare turn. But I lean heavily to folding. Get your money in a better spot.
Can you please describe exactly what would be a better spot?
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:48 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

QJ99, 9987, 9910J something with some redraw not a hand that is set at is. How often does a middle set show down as winner? This is not a check pot and hero bets, the betting is pretty heavy.

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Old 06-18-2012, 03:55 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

To be clear, I'm not saying to shy away from your sets.

BUT with the board, prior betting and money vest this is an easy hand to get away with given the circumstances IMO
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:01 PM   #14
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

Well obviously we'd rather have QJ99, but thats like saying I'd rather have AA on a A92 flop than 99. Unless all you do is nut-peddle, you're going to have to play postflop. I dont think mid set in a limped relatively dry flop is so far from the nuts that we snap fold at the first sign of action.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:16 AM   #15
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Re: 1/2 NL OMAHA - Flopped set

We play 9974 and we fold when we hit 9.

OK.
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