1-2 Live PLO RxR, hi only round. Think maybe I made a mistake on the turn by not building a side pot.

Hero had TT78 in HJ. Raise to 15 pre flop from early pos aggro. It's always raised PF. No problem. 5 callers.

Flop comes T96 two spades. Flopped nut str8 and top set. Checked to Hero, who pots it. 2 callers, button and UTG.

Now I know exactly where I'm at. Button is very tight retired guy, rich, but always buys in for the Min. He has a wrap of some kind. He would insta fold middle or bottom set or any open ender, and any non-nut flush draw. JQK are certiain. There is no dangler in his hand. His last card is either a K or an A. He just flats the flop bet.

The UTG is tight agro, knows what he's doing, he just calls. Could be a wrap too, but is probably the nut flush draw.

The turn is a non spade 9. I know the button has hit a higher straight.I check, he bets 110 all in. UTG insta calls.

Mistake, I think, not raising the turn to put the UTG's last 250 in a side pot, as I'm 99% sure he doesn't have the straight, just the flush draw.

I just flatted. After the hand I start thinking I should have raised to create a side pot, so I at least get something back if I don't fill and the flush misses. Ehhh.....

I am certain he'd insta call the raise on the turn had I put one in.

Would you build a side there ?

The board didn't pair, and the flush hit, so it didn't matter, I just saved some money, but it was still a mistake I think.

Turn is an 8, not a 9?

If UTG is a tight aggro who knows what he is doing he should not insta call turn raise with nfd so that doesn't really make sense.. But yes, when he just calls the old guys bet on the turn and doesn't even think much about it, you are almost always (if not always) ahead of utg, so you did miss value there.

Some of your statements and "reads" are ridiculous... hard to believe you know EXACTLY what both V's have and still created a thread? Seems weird.

I think you definitely should build a sidepot if you know V has a strong hand.

ya ship turn

obv you know exactly what is going on in the hand all the time, so i really don´t know how we could help you.
fwiw as UTG checked bet turn yourself with BTN rather short.

Yeah, the turn was an 8. Sorry for the typo. I didn't know exactly what was going on at all times, but I was very confident of the buttons hand. As close to 100% as you can be at a poker table. I was guessing but I was right. Tight aggro was tilting a little too, by the way. Tight aggro is a relitive term by the way.

The tight aggro had to have something to call, and with the stack sizes as they were I believed he would have shipped with a top wrap, even with the flush draw out there. He does know what he's doing, (especially compared to the other players at this table) but if the pot gets bigger he's just not folding any reasonable draw. The nut flush almost never gets folded unless the board is paired, (and not always even then) and doesn't EVER get folded on the flop, and there are maybe 2 other guys capable of folding it on the turn. Period. Some of the players in this game don't know the rules, and they play every week.


I've played with the tight button player quite a bit. He'll raise with decent AA's, just call a reraise to 100, then fold to save his last 17 bucks, in a 300+ pot. Not kidding. Can usually call out 3 of his cards depending on what he does on the flop. Calling out all 4 isn't even all that hard, sometimes.

Anyway, just curious if decent players would put in the last 200+ in a completely defined situation with a dry side, or wait for the river. Also, didn't know if the tight aggro had some kind of gutter draw too. Turned out he didn't. I'm a little too careful in deeper stack situations sometimes, and I acted without thinking about long enough.

Oh, by the way, in this game, even the better players don't fold if the pot gets bigger. Might be my only edge against some of them. Of 20 or so regular players, maybe 2 can fold a nut low with no back up, (with no high hand) maybe one guy can fold a nut straight with no redraws in a deep stack situation.

An assistant coach for the braves once played in this game, just with 5-5 blinds, and told everyone he as moving here for the off season, because it was the best PLO game he'd ever played in.

And hey, I know it's the internet and all, and you get to say things here you'd never say in real life because no one is going to kick your ass here, but try not to be a dick. Your Mom won't like it.

To those of you who weren't dicks, thanks for sharing your oppinion.