Getting it in vs two opponents with AA is stupid.
Why?

If you got AA and two other guys have A and rag you are behind.
Allmost on any flop.

Here is an example

Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA** 25.62% 149,876 7,700
As876s 27.17% 160,595 4,831
AQsTsJ 23.92% 140,600 5,833
KK** 23.29% 138,079 3,376

this is a winning gradient by 0.62%, which could be 100 billion dollars profit if the conditions were right.

Is that really the worse 'proof' you could think of?

Please just accept you are deluded. Only then can you break free from your shackles and trust in the higher powers.

States that getting it in vs 2 opponents is stupid.

Shows equity example getting it in vs 3 opponents.

Pretty much all you need to know about OP right there.


Benni, much to the annoyance of MFN, I don't always advocate 3 and 4 betting AAxx, but if you have a chance to get your stack in, or the majority of your stack in, you just go ahead and do it. There are not enough scenarios where this is a bad decision to ever not want to do it. If you can't handle the swings then you need to stop playing the game.

Hmm, it just seems like i am loosing so many times and allways i am seeing myself way behind on flop.

All times i got half or more than half of my chips before the flop in and i am allways against couple opponents. With given pod odds i am allmost allways getting it in on the flop and i am allmost allways seeing no A on the flop also if i see one i am allmost allways not getting paid unless someone has a flush draw(happens often) or a set(happens not so often).

Therefore i looked at the odds and tryed to figure out if i am making a big mistake or just running bad or something like that.

I realised after some time. I am allways in those three situations when i get it in with AA**.
This is allways live and it only counts for live encounters. Online is a different breed and also online is nittisher.

There are two different dynamics where i am getting most of my stack in pre.
Some whale or a decent/or even a nit on tilt is threebetting before me and i am 4 betting.
Or i am 3 betting after flats and all guys just call me.

What happens is allways just allways i am seeing my set outs beeing out because some guy has an A in his hand or even AA(seldome).

In a multiway pot i am allmost allways behind on the majority of flops.
It just feels like i am burning money here instead of calling threebets when i have a weak hand and know my opponent has AA and trying to hit twopair.

why is benni not banned already for trolling?

The thing is i am not trolling and this question about folding AA in omaha pre and especially post is not new.

You are correct, it is not a new question.

The problem lies in the fact that many players have provided you with the hard evidence as to why you should do it, you have countered with VERY specific situations, posters have once again provided a counter argument and yet you still stick to your stance that you shouldn't do it.

At the end of the day, you're the one playing the game, pushing the chips in the middle and making the decisions. If you don't want to get it in with AAxx or find it an uncomfortable spot, then don't get it in. Nobody is forcing you to do this, it will always be your decision.

The thing that annoys people is that the topic keeps getting brought back up like there is new information to be had. The information is the same. Nothing has changed.

To summarize:
AAxx allin preflop = good

It is confirmed this may lead to variance = bad

The times that you win should make up for the times you lose = good

If you aren't comfortable with the above 3 points, then don't push in with AAxx which will lead to a better emotional state since you don't seem to be able to handle variance.

There we got the next bigger problem.

Sometimes it takes a long time to even out variance, most of the time nobody really has the br to cope with that. Just ask townsend. One of the best plo player who just hasnt had the br to cope his downswing.

Thx for advise by the way.

If you play with 200BI like I do and take shots in good games then you can cope with the variance. How many BI are you playing with, what's your BR? My guess is you don't have more than 30BI's in which case it EASY enough to go on a downswing where your BR can't cope - and no wonder you dread getting it in with aces.

The thing to remember with a lower BR is if you get deepstacked in a game you stand to lose an even bigger % of your BR if you lose.

somewhere there is a thread where people have posted their win rates with AA, There were numbners between 1000 and 14000 bb/100

AA bb/100 has (should) an astronomical win rate, much much much higher than other hands.

Benni I've said this so many time. YOu are delusional. You do not know how to play omaha. You are live fish idiot. You don't know how to play AA. You do not understand the deck at all.

AA is better than any other two card iteration. Its better than KK** 67** A9** whatever

Yes you can have bad **, but this applioes to all cards. If you look at two of your cards and they are AA you are ahead - or at least profiting. When you have bad ** and they have stronger ** then there are rare situations where cards just happen to block equity. People generalyl don't want to play A*** against AA** because they are dominaated to ****

If you are so dumb about AA I drea to think how much you opportunity you are losing with KK** and QQ**

Townsend is not a special plo player at all, he is bum hunter and sits around with his friends sharing hand histories trying to find an edge against specific opponenets..

Benni I even feel like revealing my cognitive secrets to you, but only because I know that you will have close to 0% chance in being profitable even if you applied my mental game strategy. It would actually make you lose more money. If I was you I would just fold preflop every time, afterall if you don't appreciate the profitability of AA then you should not play any hands at all as they are ALL WORSE THAN AA**

''Generally speaking i think AA double suited also plays bad deep''

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In restroperspective i think you are right. I should have 100 bi for holdem and 200 bi for omaha with 50 holdem going down and 100 going down on omaha.

Allthough i think live i could play comfortably with half of that.
I am sure this is one of the big reasons for my failure. Maybe the reason.

The thing is though it is not really possible to get a good br for me.
Would mean i need 2k for plo 10. My psychology needs plo25.
5k is needed ...

I am trying to get to 5k to play comfortably but yeah it isnt working.

@Mt.FishNoob
1000 /100 bb?
Are you joking, nobody makes that much with AA on omaha.

You can send me pm. Would appreciate it.
Also i am open to get coached.

winning 1000bb every 100 aa you are dealt is actually a very bad or unlucky player.