No, if we dont like variance, we ought to stop playing PLO.

Variance by itself, without a positive edge, is bad. However, variance, no matter how high, is good if it comes with a positive edge. We embrace variance not because we are degens (hopefully not, anyway ), but because of the postives edges. No varience, no edge. That is the nature of the game. Accept it or play chess, where varieance doesn't play any part in the game.

Op what is the point of making this thread? Because now you've had a hsplo crusher come in and write a reply to which your reaction was to respond "whatever". So you obviously is not looking for advice from successful players.
The other option is that you made this as a "here is a spot which I want to play in this special way, does it have merit?" To which we now have had 8 pages of "no, pot!" refuting your suggestion.

SO WHAT IS THE ****ING POINT HERE OF MAKING THIS THREAD?

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Thx for advise.
I have to take some time of and think about it.

I think my favorite part of this thread is that OP constantly describes his game as full of tight players, describing it as a tight game environment, but he also assumes he's automatically looking at a 4 way pot when he bombs in 60bb preflop.

Great thread, enjoyed reading very much.

Lol std benni question. So i think you have to c/r any flop and c/r any turn for value. Sometimes you drawing dead but you have a lot of FE. If not you can just click rebuy and start pushing buttons randomly. You can triple up your buyin and do the first step again. If you are good you can reach 100/200 in one month. Hope you can do it!

Ebola. This thread is Ebola.

In holdem aces against five opponents with 22, 33, 44, 55, and 66 is under 40%. Do you snap-fold those aces or do you gamble?

its legit. If you wanna avoid swings you will try to avoid situations with big swings.

How is that guy still allowed to post here and EVEN WORSE how are people still responding JFC.

I'm glad of it for the entertainment value

don´t get all the h8 towards benni

i dont even understand why all of those morons hate me?
i mean as if i am a rich baller and sucessfull and so on.

How stupid is this?

people don't hate successful rich ballers on 2p2 because everyone on 2p2 is succesful baller. You my friend though stand out as a non succesful broke non baller.

The easiest way to be baller is to raise double suited aces preflop irrespective of everything but the gauranteed its coming back round again because spew monkey on your left.


I was feeling drunk and bad about myself one night in my youth. Then it clicked, I only have to have double suited pocket aces (it was actually just aces at the time because I was nlhe player way back then) and I can start raising everyone. Then a girl came up to ME and asked ME for MY PHONE NUMBER. And thats when I became a baller by realizing the power of holding pocket aces. You know that feeling when you have pocket aces and you ahven't been sucked out on yet? Basically this feeling, if you can replicate it in life (replicating cocaine aswell is good as aces) you will start being more free. No one is more free than a guy with aces. The same applies to double suited pocket aces. Problem is pot size though in plo. You can't just shove all in .

Conclusion is that NLHE is the most baller game.

So much testosterone in that message, my beard grew 3 ft and I impregnated a phone solicitor asking if I wanted to get a new Visa card. Needless to say he was unimpressed with the fact that he was now with child.

A single buyin is not considered a big swing. The big swing in this situation would be collecting everyone else's money, which is a very nice big swing. Poker is a game that is played in the long term. The problem with calculations is that although we might be a 70% favourite in a spot, the game doesn't tell us how many times we have to enter into that situation to enjoy the benefits of being a 70% favourite. We might see the ugly 30% losing side more often in the beginning before the win losses even out and eventually climb towards that 70% threshold.

What you have been given in this thread is a lot of good advice on how to play in this particular situation. You certainly don't have to take any of it, that is your decision. No one here is forcing you to make the plays that they suggest, they are simply speaking from their experiences or based on what they have discovered via propokertools.

In the end you get to decide how to play, just understand that most posters on here have your best interest in mind when they reply. Debate on topics will happen, you're not always going to agree with what is being said, but once again accept that fact that players on here want to help each other get better. People give out advice and try to help because they love the game and want to see others be successful at it. Success doesn't always mean you understand the game as well as you think, and neither does losing mean that you aren't a capable player. However, if you have been losing for 7 years, you're either running seriously under EV, or its time to mix it up a bit and open up your mind to the advice of the forum. Remove all the trolling, sarcasm and occasional angry post, and the responses you've gotten on here are genuine and done so to help you out.

As i heared, this forum id dying and serious posters are allready elsewhere ..
so never mind.

thx for the last honest post though

ask anywhere bennii and you will get the same response. As dingus implies, your thoughts on your question are the result of scared money. Even though there is some mild support in the BBV thread recently with certain people saying about reducing variance and increasing ev in live situations by calling so that there is more play on later streets when information is more complete and true equity after knowing their hole cards is 100/00, . I call bull**** though. If you have any edge at all you push it, and you don't play in games where you want to reduce variance, unless you are doing so casually as a rec player - I don't see myself playing any different live to online. It's the same ****ing game, except you can get more behavioral reads (and also get yourself maniuplted by fake tells). The fundamental s remain the same.

GGARJ in bbv thread diid post where he flatted AA77ss preflop and $ was handed on plate post flop against crushed equities that felt commited, but he wouldn't say dumb **** like 'ds aces play bad when deep' and all the other dumb **** about PLO you come out with in a matter of fact way. Other forums should not be saying stuff l;ike this either. If you want to flat preflop to avoid variance that's fine but don't try to justify that basically you are scared to play big pots without flopping the nuts with nut redraw.

I just said playing AA without suit in a 5way pot is not going to be allways +Ev when opponents are nitts to.
Should be true.

This was the statement imo which clarified how bad your poker thought process is. People are going to think you are trolling if you believe that the strognest hands play bad deep. And if another forum agrees with you then that forum is really dumb.

You have domination of all textures, if you have AAJTds or AAKKds then you dominate suits, straights and ranks, only losing in some straight equity vs rundowns. AA74 does suffer in straights and a little ranks though but to say it plays bad deep is absurd. SS takes ~10% off your nice flops but it's still good. The point is is that 10% is absolutely huge, one ten percent is good enough on its own but saying that double suited plays bad deep is wat da ****

Also I ahve a feeling that you can literally never being drawing dead in a heads up pot with AAKKds on the flop unless someone has a straight flush or absolutely cools the **** out of you with a hand like this..

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

537,920 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 777

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAsKdKs	0.00%	0	0
7AK*	100.00%	537,920	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 777

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAsKdKs	0.21%	1,280	0
7***	99.79%	598,720	0

even here you are still getting 21 pots back in every 10000

incase you are wondering this translates so much to deep pots, (they will be dead or at lest uncomfortable so much more often than you) problem with live players is that they just can't get the volume in. Same goes for these 50k hands a year players who just ruun good but think they are great because they made 250k or whatever.

Hej,

I understand and realised some posts where stupid and completely wrong but others are true.

Like getting it in pre vs 5 guys is maybe pretty dumb.
Also if you dont like variance you shouldnt play AAds in a multiway pot(more than 3players) and try to build a big pot pre because you arent getting it in on a flop 80 % favorite.

Therefore this problem is a solely scared money problem. Otherwise in omaha texture get it in every time against whatever opponents with AAds. Would think twise in a multiway pot pre with bad AA like AA27o.

I just stated in certain scenarios some sort of weak AA like the above AA27o or even with one suit AAs27s is not worth getting it in pre and is not really worth set mining if you are not deep enough and with beeing oop it is even a fold under those bad circumstances considering the line up of nits who will allways just 3bet AA** you could easily end up in situations where you are really behind with AA.

In others you are allmost allways favorith allthough most of the time a small one in multiway pots with more than 3 players.

run the facts before you say more dumb ****. if I have AA58ss or better I am never folding preflop, even if its 9 players, something like AAT5ds is > AA85ss

if you don't like variance go play limit hi/lo or play within your bankroll (100 buy ins). Problem is going to a casino with only 2 buy ins worth of cash and then you get scared of variance at the cost of wasting your time anyway by folding in +ev spots whilst making your play very tight and predictable..

AA72o can be a dog 3 ways with reads, no one has argued this. heads up though then you can';t really fold because once you've spent enough money to know you are losing, you are already commited. it would have to be very extreme and rare and unreliable evidence to want to fold AA72o in heads up pot pre flop in cash game.

yeah most experienced plo players know this but this does not offset all of the other dumb **** you come out with.

i just realised this and wanted confirmation of other.
Allthough i cant believe how upset you are with my posts.
One of the reasons is because normally it is not your habitus to act that way.

Certainly some guys are angry at me for certain reasons.

Here's a situation where you can fold AA pre-flop.

You open AA82r UTG. HJ 3-bets, CO flats, BTN 4-bets, SB flats, BB flats. BTN has 4-bet range of AA.

When you say bad things about double suited aces, it's like telling a theist his god isn't real.

Do you know who i am?
I am a legend on this board just ask some regulars of twopustwo.
How dare are you to correct an infamous legend like me?

I think we might have the February low content thread title