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[1/2-5] Limp-Raise with good medium rundown, do I call? [1/2-5] Limp-Raise with good medium rundown, do I call?
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08-11-2017 , 12:28 PM
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10 players. Hero/BUT has $900, V1/UTG has $300, V2 MP has $600.

Hero image: Nit. (And it's kind-of accurate.)

Pre: Blinds post $1-2, V1/UTG straddles to $10. V2/MP who calls $10, MP2 calls $10, HJ calls $10. Hero/BUT has (JT)98ss. Hero raises to $40??? Blinds fold, V1 calls $30 more, V2 pots to $190 total. MP2, HJ fold.

It is $150 for Hero to call. Hero Folds????
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08-11-2017 , 02:11 PM
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I'd fold under the assumption that your continuing in the hand will probably induce V1 to shove for less than $150 more (approx $260 total). On the other hand V1 shove wouldn't count as a raise so V2 could only close out the action. Then you're heads up.
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08-11-2017 , 03:38 PM
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I'd fold under the assumption that your continuing in the hand will probably induce V1 to shove for less than $150 more (approx $260 total). On the other hand V1 shove wouldn't count as a raise so V2 could only close out the action. Then you're heads up.
The raise was $150 and if V1 shoves, it's $110 on top. It's more than half the last raise, so it re-opens the action.

This was my thought too - that if V1 shoves, V2 can re-shove (especially since I'm putting him on AAxx/KKxx with that limp-re-raise move). If my call closed the action, or we were already heads-up, I would have probably seen a flop.

FYI, I didn't see the cards, but Villain said he had AAxx no suit to his buddy who he was talking PLO strategy with.
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08-11-2017 , 05:24 PM
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The raise was $150 and if V1 shoves, it's $110 on top. It's more than half the last raise, so it re-opens the action.

This was my thought too - that if V1 shoves, V2 can re-shove (especially since I'm putting him on AAxx/KKxx with that limp-re-raise move). If my call closed the action, or we were already heads-up, I would have probably seen a flop.

FYI, I didn't see the cards, but Villain said he had AAxx no suit to his buddy who he was talking PLO strategy with.
Thanks for noticing my error about closing action. I don't know what I was thinking.
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08-12-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Hero image: Nit. (And it's kind-of accurate.)
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Hero/BUT has (JT)98ss. Hero raises to $40???

so this is the new nit? lol.
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08-19-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Thanks for noticing my error about closing action. I don't know what I was thinking.
no.

Spoiler:
you knew it
Spoiler:
and now you don´t know what to think
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08-19-2017 , 05:00 PM
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I prefer overlimp pre and folding as played (if villain does not have aaxx our hand is likely to be severely dominated). Seeing a flop multiway is not a bad thing and even if hero just min-raises it can lead to lots of akward spots given stack sizes. With best position all ready hero does not need to overinvest in a good but not great rundown.

Also: a 60bb stack is straddling, hero has to expect he will get shoved on liberally. Why set himself up for lots of marginal spots. Deep-stack plo (game not that deep yet) is about recognizing and constructing favorable opportunities. Raising here is somewhere between thin and optimistic.
Last edited by monikrazy; 08-19-2017 at 05:07 PM.
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08-21-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Are you guys playing fixed limit or something?

The rule for NL and PL has always been: it doesn't count as a raise if it's not a full raise (if it's less than $340 here).

You must be thinking of FL where it counts as a raise if it's half or more of a min raise.

Therefore I'm flatting here, expecting villain to have AAxx most of the time, and I can get my stack in whenever I flop decent equity.
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08-21-2017 , 05:01 PM
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It was a $150 raise from 40 to 190, if villain shoves for 300 it meets the 1x standard to reopen the betting
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08-21-2017 , 07:39 PM
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I'd overcall on button here with your hand mainly because its ss. If its double suited im raising and calling 3 bet.
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08-23-2017 , 11:49 AM
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It was a $150 raise from 40 to 190, if villain shoves for 300 it meets the 1x standard to reopen the betting
$340 total bet to reopen the betting after the $150 raise on top of the $40. If UTG ships it allin, his raise is only $110, as he has to call the 190 (His initial 40 + 150) already out there, so he doesn't meet the 1x standard. UTG only has $260 left to go allin with.
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08-27-2017 , 07:17 AM
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$340 total bet to reopen the betting after the $150 raise on top of the $40. If UTG ships it allin, his raise is only $110, as he has to call the 190 (His initial 40 + 150) already out there, so he doesn't meet the 1x standard. UTG only has $260 left to go allin with.
You are right
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