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0.50/0.50/1.00 | 600BB deep | weird Flop min-4bet | Jam somewhere? 0.50/0.50/1.00 | 600BB deep | weird Flop min-4bet | Jam somewhere?

06-27-2017 , 11:03 AM
it's 0.50/0.50+Straddle NLH/PLO Semi-Homegame, pretty deep, it's a game full of bad gambling regs, we're playing for some hours, one orbit Holdem, one orbit PLO, Holdem-Straddle gets up to 4€ sometimes, but normally 1€, PLO only one straddle allowed, 7-handed, regular buy in is 100€, that deep maybe 200€, V1 is in for about 300€, V2 is in for 5-600€, Hero is in for 100€.

Maybe relevant:
There's a Jackpot (about 650€) for getting a straight-flush or higher
There's a Bad Beat Jackpot (about 4.500€) for loosing Quads 8 or better

V1 (Straddle 1€): 800€ - super loosepassive pre, got his stack from 3times set over set in holdem and omaha
V2 (EP): 400€ - propably best reg at the table and the only winning reg
HERO (CO): 600€ - way youngest at the table, winning online aggro-kiddo-image

I'm not super experienced in PLO, so I propably need advice on every street, esp. that deep , Hero not money-scared.

HERO: J8QT

Preflop:
V2 raise 3€, HERO raise 10€, V2 Call, V1 Call

Flop: (30€) TK7

V1 bets 20€, V2 calls, HERO raise 75€, V1 re-raise 150€, V2 folds, HERO calls

Turn: (320€) 8

V1 checks, HERO (?) checks,

River: (320€) 2

V1 bets 200€, HERO (?)

Thanks alot!

Last edited by nanana_batman; 06-27-2017 at 11:16 AM.
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06-27-2017 , 12:30 PM
Flat flop
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06-27-2017 , 06:18 PM
If 8 was 9 raise seems ok, because you have position and are super deep. If T was 9 then raising even seems best. As it is the obvious question is why are you raising?

Given play to turn you have to pretend you have Q9 and bet, V1 is super likely to have KK ... he will call so you'll be bluffing rivers like this one too. Unless you have reads that villain just calls it off anyway.

Given play to river, his bet seems big but I guess he is assuming you'll call TT or something (small chance he actually has Q9 too) ... raising isn't believable and T8 isn't good enough to call.
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06-27-2017 , 06:30 PM
I prefer to c/r a range which is nutted hands/draws and hands that can't profitably continue by c/c'ing (but still want to continue), like bottom pair+gutter for example. I think this hand is a prime candidate to c/c and continue.

Like, it's exactly the sort of hand you'd want to play as a c/c on the flop, actually. For the very reason you're in this conundrum now: You have a strong but not nutted-strong hand super deep in a big pot. Life is easier if you had a nutted hand, or a semi-bluff that you can snap-fold, instead in this spot. So save the building massive pots with hands that win massive pots: Nutted draws or big sets. Balance it out by throwing in ****tier hands that won't put you in awkward spots when the heat gets turned up

In a more shallow game you can c/r this hand and just go with it. Super deep you can't.
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06-27-2017 , 09:25 PM
You should be beat, unless villain is soul crushing you with aqjx better hearts and no better 2p, you can't rep a straight with any credibility after checking turn

Also would villain min raise said wrappish type hands when your raising range is mostly sets & 2p with redraws
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06-28-2017 , 08:06 AM
thanks for your very helpful input!

so cliffs
- flatting flop obviously best option
- repping turn/river probably not a good option

I'm also expecting V1 to have almost always KKxx here, his min-4bet on the flop is probably meant to be denying V2 odds for entering 3ways.
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06-30-2017 , 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nanana_batman
thanks for your very helpful input!

so cliffs
- flatting flop obviously best option
- repping turn/river probably not a good option

I'm also expecting V1 to have almost always KKxx here, his min-4bet on the flop is probably meant to be denying V2 odds for entering 3ways.
Start with point 1 and reassess on turn.
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06-30-2017 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AveeMaria
Start with point 1 and reassess on turn.
yep.
point 2 would be *as played
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