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thought they announced it as villain 3b preflop, then antonio donked the flop?

jdalla was at this table IIRC


really hard to say without being at the table to witness this but there are many situations where i consider villains play reasonable.

I was at this table, the hand went like this:

Antonio opens AKo either MP or HJ (he was opening a lot of pots.) The guy right next to him (HJ or CO), 3bets Q8s, Antonio calls.

Flop of 755, Antonio donks 400k (around 3/4 pot), dude flats leaving himself 1.5M behind (Antonio slightly covers.)

Turn K, Antonio bets 600k, dude shoves.

Pretty crazy hand, the more interesting thing is Antonio's flop line... not sure if he was planning on bet/folding or if he was gonna make a crazy ship.

The table was generally ridiculous, with Antonio opening a ton and getting 3bet almost every time be one of the euros or Ben Lamb. I stayed alive fairly short there for a while by 4 bet shoving a few times vs this action and generally not getting called any of the times.

The reason it's almost surely a bad play is that 1.) Antonio is pot-committed with almost any kind of made hand or draw, and I don't expect him to raise-call preflop and then donkbet twice with complete air often enough to make this profitable, and 2.) the bluffer is drawing completely dead almost every time he's called.

In other words, it sure seemed like a spaz bluff to me, whether or not it happened to work.

BluffHead overstated his case, but the idea is that you can only bluff so often, so you might as well pick spots where you are telling a compelling story, Villain might actually fold a made hand, you have some outs when called, and you aren't risking all your chips. You can't always acheive all these goals, of course, but it's worth keeping in mind. That said, sometimes a bare-ass bluffshove is clearly the right play.

Well-said, pineapple. I am not such a nit that I can't understand a bluff, but I do think that villain left himself no outs and was only getting called by a better hand, which was anything from a pair to a boat.

bad play for these reasons...with 60BB left there are plenty of better spots to be in...

it is evident villain thought antonio had pp or Ax (or broader range) and he wanted to represent the AK... I actually think antonio's donk bet may have been a smart play to represent a made hand and continued strength despite the 3bet..especially if they were 3 betting him often...which he obviously knew...but I wasn't there so I am probably wrong (again).

So if he was ONLY getting called by a pair or boat and all other hands were folding when he is putting in 900k to win ~3m you think this is the worst bluff ever? Especially if Antonio's range was as wide as Dalla made it out to be this bluff doesn't seem super bad.

Certainly not "worst bluff ever" IMO but Dalla was talking about preflop, and the problem is that Antonio really isn't wide there very often by the time it gets to the turn. When he fires again on the turn, he's defined his range as 1.) complete air, 2.) hands that aren't folding. And I don't think it's complete air very often because I think he'd just give up at that point.

It just seems like a spot where the other dude said "ZOMG 3-bet crap" followed by "ZOMG float w air take it away later" followed by "ZOMG can't give up now so bluffshove" without really thinking it through.

what the bloody hell is that thing?

It is a nail gun, my friend.