i have been watching poker after dark from the very beginning and on the third week of season 1, tony g and phil hellmuth are 2 of the 6 players involved

there was no insults exchanged during this,so i wondered when this all started, was there a specific incident that started it all

i see the big game episodes, but i thought it might have been a while before

Hellmuth questioned Tony's heart and commitment to the game.

Who knows when it starts or even really what it is. As far as tv episodes (and I'm far from an encyclopedia on tv poker) I remember seeing Tony needle Phil pretty good in a 24 hr cash game show. I'm pretty sure that was before Big Game.

Phil deserves it fwiw. I think the thing Tony picked up on was that Phil always wanted it both ways. He'd call himself the greatest player ever, but then complain when the line-up wasn't all fish giving great loose action (and say he's a celebrity and that they should be worried about getting invited back). When the line-up was all fish giving great loose action he'd call them businessmen and fish right to their face. Tony basically made it a point to point out that his persona is a fraud.

If I had to guess at some point Phil called Tony a businessman sucker and Tony ended up taking great joy in pointing out that Phil is the same thing (but Tony likes being called this and Phil hates it).

i think you're referring to the partypoker big game II

pretty old now, but i think that's a show they went to war on

Not sure when it started but that is the earliest I remember seeing their "feud".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fpFx-ITswo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i1MOrvM5u0

oh yeah forgot about old premier leagues... this may have been around the same time though.

the main rivalry in premier leagues was hellmuth and devilfish haha

LOL DAVID ULLLIOT...tbh it probably started by tony calling phils 300K preflop raise with Q7o to phils AK. flop comes A75 rainbow, phill bets tony calls, 9 on turn, still rainbow, phil checks, tony bets, phil check raises, (then goes into his turtle mode, not giving any tells) tony calls. River is a Q. Phill bets in thinking value, tony reraises all in, phil then stands up, throws glasses, and complains how unfair the game is treating him, how disrespectful it is to outplay the "worlds greatest" or "GOAT" as well as how much of a bad beat he was getting. Phill then obv calls and loses and Tony probably makes some peehole remark and then it started

^ was that on an old WPT? if so link plz

Wow, that's really old. I thought their feud started taking place at the PartyPoker Premier League IV? (the one Benyamine won). I know it did not start from PS big game, but its good to hear where it began and how it evolved into a piece of poker lore.

i think it was around premiere league I or II. Tony G used to be awful, loose when he shouldnt be, tight when he shouldnt be, and Hellmuth made fun of him, the G has been hellbent on revenge ever since and become a poker monster.