#TeamSelbst f the haters

We both know you will never really get over it. It will sting every single time you see him from now on.

believe what you wish, but i certainly remember all the (high stakes) hands i've played 4000 miles away from home against players i've previously seen on TV. that's exactly how the hand went. the only thing i'm not sure about is whether the flop was AQ6dd or AQ5dd. prior to this hand you had made comments that i seemed like just another crazy scandinavian kid. specifically remember you berating me on how i could call your 3bet pre with JT. i ofc felt that my play was 100% standard, but didn't see the point in explaining that to you or otherwise justifying the way i choose to play with my money. and even if my play hadn't been standard, i was absolutely dumbfounded by the fact that you choose to berate/educate random players you don't know, also on those times when you win. bottom line is you seemed as obnoxious back then as you did in that video.

nothing personal, i've only played with you once, but that's my first impression of you and i haven't seen the need to change it based on what i've seen of you on tv later.

Don't you understand that her fans have declared that she has "pwned" you?

I find it telling that she not only accuses you of lying not once but twice but then goes to the bother of explaining what her standards are for her to "berate" someone...wtf?....and it's usally for players not living up to the high standards she demands of them - that's a clown comment if I've ever heard one.

She should just admit that she's a red-a$$ who flies off the handle when things sometimes don't go the way she expects and own it. That's a hell of a lot classier than her response here.


Players both famous and not-so-famous can be delta bravos, some make a habit of it even when they know it is being recorded for posterity. The key is to never let it bother you as much as it does them and this case you certainly appear to be the bigger person. The key for the red-a$$ is to grow the f**k up and act like an adult (or better yet like an adult profesional).

Ok, that was the gentler, giving the benefit of the doubt version. Now, here's more of a hits home, truth hurts version. When she berates someone for a bad play, it's an in denial defense mechanism. Sometimes when she attempts to make a move, and someone makes a move back at her or catches her in the act, and her attempt fails, she has difficulty giving credit for a good play. It can only be a good play if it works for her. She gets upset when an opponent doesn't back down to the mighty Vanessa Selbst, and the in denial default is it was a bad play by opponent.

Vanessa, you are mighty, just take it as even the mighty gets humbled sometimes.

how is this topic still going... Pretty sure vanessa realizes its ridiculous to expect Kevin to softplay her, or avoid her for his own sake, whatever way you want to word it.

She came off really bad in that interview...

which part of Episode 8 EPT Berlin was it in?

nvm

Not trying to jump on the bandwagon here but it is better you don't make excuses for such poor behavior. What you are not acknowledging when you say that sometimes when 'you're' caught up in the moment is that every pro is caught up in these moments. Every pro deals with these situations. The difference is, they don't flip out and act like this. It's especially painful given that you, a very good player, also owes a ton to the world of run good for your tourney success. The poker world has been more than fair to you but you have a bit of a spoiled child syndrome. Take bad beats, bad plays, etc etc with some class. Put your head down, don't be condescending, and just move on. You are in a unique position where a lot of people are going to be paying closer attention to you than others so, like it or not, your actions have a greater impact on the image of poker. Even if it isn't an amateur you are berating, there are surely amateurs at the table totally turned off by the behavior.

You made that up!

I love how judgmental some people's posts are itt. Good for you if you're the perfect specimen for televised poker and would behave like a boyscout. My take is that we should be thankful there are a variety of personalities in the poker world. It makes situations more colorful, interesting and gives us something to talk, debate, discuss, rant and bitch about. It would be pretty boring without that. If you're so upset by her actions I'm going to go out on a limb and say that maybe you should peruse the psychology section and figure out why exactly her behavior bothers you so much.

That was really heavy edited to make Selbst the villain. The other woman was quite a bitch (according to Selbst).

I think opinions tend to automatically get more polarized when posted on message boards. It's just the nature of internet and non-verbal communication. Maybe some got the impression that I hate Vanessa when actually I don't. She's just not my favorite player due to some of her antics. Maybe she is to others, idk.

To me poker is still a gentlemans game. Berating other players for their mistakes is just flat out stupid and it has no value. Only two things can come out of it. Either the player who gets berated actually takes advice from what he hears and starts to play better, or he gets aggravated and leaves the game. I left the aforementioned Bellagio game after getting stacked by Vanessa because I didn't like the atmosphere in the game (I did have cash so I could've bought in for more). Maybe me leaving wasn't a huge loss for the table, but any other recreational player could've left as well. Playing cards has to be fun and if it isn't and people aren't being nice to you, why would you stay? There's lots of other entertainment options available for the same money.

Good thing Vanessa is not the one being "judgemental" or "bothered" or your post would be hilarious.

Also love how people merely pointing out d-bag behavior are somehow "haters" and the ones with psychological problems. Some people have class and manners and some don't. There is still plenty of variety and personality even when people behave as adults, you should try it.

I think the fact that Vanessa came into this post and basically called martre a liar and saying that she would not do something that we've seen her do countless times on tv, speaks volumes about her character. I don't know about you guys but I believe martre and not her, she probably berated so many people in her life she doesn't remember half of them.

Who the hell are you Vanessa that you have a right to berate people for how they play their money? Is it your money they are playing with? NO, then what business is it of yours how they play?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcDx27e2Rzo

Confirmed mad.

Vanessa may be the one being judgmental about how others play poker but that isn't what I was writing about.

Although I was being sarcastic, I wasn't implying that the anti-Vanessa's are haters nor that they have psychological problems either. I was being serious. I guess I could have left out the sarcasm but like martre said, "I think opinions tend to automatically get more polarized when posted on message boards. It's just the nature of internet and non-verbal communication."

What I was implying is that as people we tend to be harsh on others more-so if they're a celebrity of sorts or an authority figure and it's interesting, from a psychological perspective, as to why that is. It's okay to have an opinion about a person and their behavior but I'm curious as to why that opinion has to be a put down by making statements that they're a person with no class blah blah blah. Maybe it's just about semantics and I could have refrained from posting, idk.

Anyways, I was implying that we all live in glass houses and wasn't pointing martre out either...he just happened to quote and respond to my post.

However, since he did, another interesting point (to me) is "5 years ago". I don't know how old Vanessa is...I could look it up but I don't think she's hit 30 yet. That being said, 5 years ago, that puts her in her early 20's and for what that's worth she's still young now. I don't know about those of you here, but when I think back to **** I did and said in my 20's...ugh. Being young isn't an excuse for what we're referring to as bad behavior here, but that doesn't instantly make her a person with no class and manners as is stated on various pages itt either. (for the record I noticed that in martre's post he doesn't put down her person, only her actions)

Not that you hit 40 or 50 or whatever and you're suddenly behaving perfectly but we do tend to grow as people, learn to relax more, mature. We've typically experienced more and hopefully have grown into what would be considered a more positive direction as a person.

So my implication was twofold: One, to give her a break. She, like all of us, is learning to be the best person that she can and she's pretty new to it if you're measuring years. There isn't any value in putting her down as a person. Although there may value may be in a discerning discussion about why this behavior occurs and bothers others. Two, as previously stated, we all live in glass houses.

so, she got a bit bitter about being read in hand of poker or smt?

won't bother watching clip. sounds like a standard poker player. she needs to step it up
to hellmuths level, where it actually becomes comical.

I can't believe she comes in here and uses 3rd grade ape logic to defend and deny her 3rd grade ape habits.

On second thought...

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I think with her background he should have 5 bet shoved.

given background, 3 bet is standard, 4 bet is standard, 5 bet should have been a shove, but given the way it played out the 6 bet shove was way to risky and she shouldnt be pissed that he called.

and the call isnt even that bad. she is known to level herself. And im pretty sure she isnt going to 6 bet shove over flatting or folding premium hands.

Team McPhee for me. The hero calling legend. Selbst tilts me. But what do I know, just my 0.02

Are you basing this astute observation on LA Law, Boston Legal or both?

Absolutely 100% untrue. And I'd know, trust me.

Vannessa Selbst always come off as a first class kunt at the tbls imo

This.