It's ok was joking lol but people here ain't pro VB

I understand it. It's a terrible trait. It's a much worse trait than berating someone for your own bad play.

The J7 hand she also doesn't exactly shut up about. She table coaches her way right through the end of that iirc. P.H. does the same thing. Do you see him berate a guy for showing up with Aces? Most of his history is calling amateur players idiots and it's a terrible thing.

She is annoying. Shes leveling with 44 against him then says hes going aft her if he calls. Wtf. Shut up.

Plus mcphee clearly explains his reasoning. Hes clearly aware of what most are saying here. He stuck to his plan and he was right.

My poker dream now is to reach wsop bubble then call a selbst shove with 72o and bust her then bask in my meaningless glory while she berates me and goes insane.

Oh and berating players for making bad play is absolutely fine. Oh no wait, no actually it's probably the worst thing about poker. There's so many young players out there who think they're Phil Hellmuth, except there's only one PH and when anyone else does it they just come across as a rude, socially incompetent c*nt.

It makes absolutely no sense either... Isn't your whole aim to provoke the other player to make a bad play? And then you cry like a baby when they do.

Yeah if Macphee plays with her often enough he probably does have something on her to know when she's not that strong. That can't be understated.

I hear she has trouble keeping a straight face.

No, no, no. She is not the same as Hellmuth, at all.

Hellmuth has a borderline autistic personality. That's not an insult or meant in a negative way. He just views the world in a slightly different manner than everyone else and comes across as socially unaware of sometimes very basic principles. Phil is not designed for the world of Yale law, unlike...

Vanessa is a very A-type personality. She has to be in command at all times. This is the personality that will typically be aimed at law school, not to mention Yale law school. Anything other than a strong A-type personality is very rare within that type of education/career.

Poker is a game where you quite simply can't hide your personality at the table. Oh, behind a screen, you have the ability to do whatever you want. But once you hit the felt, you can't hide yourself. What you see from Hellmuth and Selbst is their personality. Hellmuth doesn't see eye-to-eye with 95%+ of the population. Selbst has to be in control. It's demonstrated in nearly every TV clip available of either of them.

So don't blame Vanessa for complaining about the MacPhee hand. I understand why he called, even if I don't agree with the way he played it. But the way she would see it play it, based on her personality, is that he screwed it up.

I enjoy watching her play and see her as a "hero" as far as tv poker goes. But I was very disappointed that she goes public about her expectation that MacPhee would play anything less than 100% against her because they were friends. That reeked of so much expected collusion that I almost changed the channel watching it. I just hope she meant it as "the strong players should avoid each other when possible", which I completely understand.

Phil isn't as offensive as Vanessa because he's so over the top with his whining that it's funny. It's hard to take him seriously.

so happy i went itt

I always thought one of the things that made some players great was the ability to control their emotions and hide their personalities.


This

Links to Vanessa berating amateurs?

Might even be the best mtt player in the world. Her results last 3-4 years are beyound sickness.

Guess you never met a woman before. Its ok for her to go after him, but not the other way around. Ah the mysteries of life.

i didn't say it was fine, stop talking rubbish.

yeah your aim is to make the other player make a bad play and not have it pay off. anyone who says they've never berated anyone EVER in their poker career is a liar imo

A++++++++++ this is what i'm getting at.

Some love her some hate her, done berate bad play on occasions others don't its opinions people.

I couldn't care if she scares away fish or if that's considered counter productive, makes me laugh that everyone seems so up on a pedestal thinking x y z is right in x y z situation you pay your buy in and can comment on the game you paid to play as you see fit.

Not saying its the right way to go but that's how she plays you are just going to have to deal with it period

one moment...Phil loves poker.Selbst loves winning only.She loves herself in poker.
Hellmuth shouting at people because he thinks they play bad poker (as he sees it).Selbst mumbling angrily because somebody has just beaten her...her "nice hand" sounds the most false manner i ever heard

I can't find the video, but there is a video of her heads up against some old fart, that was pretty embarrassing to watch.

yeh i saw this recently, HU in wpt ladies event, it was really embarrasing to watch

I googled Vanessa selbst outburst couldn't really find any

My gf will only watch poker with me if Selbst is on the episode. She is a big fan. I made contact with Vanessa and asked if she would send an autographed picture of herself to suprise my gf on her birthday. Vanessa was awesome in sending me a postcard that she signed and it has a personal message on the back. I will be giving it to her on Sunday. Im sure she will be suprised.

Sorry about your gf. Was she always a lesbian or is this recent?

Lol I thought this chuckled and decided not to post the sarcastic line lol

I couldn't resist.

There's no point. It's like saying don't blame a child molester for having a messed up personality. We're not talking about blame we're talking about liking/disliking the behavior.

lol wat?

it's not like saying this at all.

the woman has gotten frustrated at the poker table a few times and said some rude things, you go on like she's started world war 3 for christ's sake give her a break.

tbh, i understand. i used to be like you and other butthurt's itt. she really used to rustle my jimmies and i have most likely ranted about her in other threads in the past. i've seen her act surly at the poker table on tv, but then again i've also seen her be friendly and chatty at the poker table.

to judge someone's character over such a lol-sample size of play from a game which can be at times, very annoying, is such a silly thing to do.