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Old 12-09-2012, 09:05 AM   #166
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:18 AM   #167
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:59 PM   #168
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He's doing her a favor by making that terrible call... a lot of the times he is crushed there and Selbst picks up a lot of chips. She just happened to have a flip-type hand. If opponents are calling off their stack with A9o, I am counting my lucky stars, not complaining that they are "going after me".

Also, lol @ 6 betting 44 and simultaneously accusing someone of going after you...
This is the right answer.

It's like your typical live fish would react. Someone makes a "horrible" call (very debatable here, but let's assume it was), then you either rake in the chips when the board runs out in your favour or start complaining about the guy making a bad call if you happen to lose (which according to your own reasoning you rarely would). It's kind of classless.

Tfb though, she herself thought so and said she regretted her reaction later in the airing (or the next episode).
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:41 PM   #169
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Glad she lost, stupid bitch #MacPheeOwn
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:22 AM   #170
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Crazy hand. To me, it encapsulates how far poker has come in the last ten or so years--from 3bets meaning QQ+ to all-out spazz wars between wizards.

Vanessa comes off pretty badly, I think. She has blinders on when it comes to McPhee "playing back" at her. Pouting about being played back at after 4betting and then 6betting 44? lol.

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Interesting debate...

I hope everyone watched the complete show, and not just THAT hand in isolation.

The 'post-match analysis' from both players was fascinating.

(Yes, I'm blatantly spamming - watch Episode 8 of EPT Berlin at PokerStars.tv!)

I thought both players' commentary (and the show as a whole) were good, def. recommend watching for fuller analysis.

Oh, and some props to McPhee for landing Liv? That's strong work.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:15 PM   #171
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I am on Selbst side simply due to fact that because of MacPhee my chances of ever being with Liv are even smaller than they were!

Talk about being results oriented.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:42 PM   #172
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she doesn't seem to have changed a bit. i remember playing in a 10/20 nl ring with vanessa back in 2007 at the bellagio. one hand i raise JTdd she 3bets IP i call, flop comes AQ5dd, i checkraise all in she calls, board blanks out and she scoops it with AK. even though she won, she was exactly like in that video, berating my play, etc. overall had just horrible table etiquette imo. even though i was just visiting vegas (and the states), i remember thinking how absurdly bad manners some pros had at the table and vanessa especially.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:40 PM   #173
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she doesn't seem to have changed a bit. i remember playing in a 10/20 nl ring with vanessa back in 2007 at the bellagio. one hand i raise JTdd she 3bets IP i call, flop comes AQ5dd, i checkraise all in she calls, board blanks out and she scoops it with AK. even though she won, she was exactly like in that video, berating my play, etc. overall had just horrible table etiquette imo. even though i was just visiting vegas (and the states), i remember thinking how absurdly bad manners some pros had at the table and vanessa especially.
you guys are funny.

this sounds like a hand i TOTALLY would have berated you for. right. i love the stories from randoms about me flipping people off or berating people for no reason... like that EVER would have happened. if you're gonna complain about something i supposedly did five years ago to you, at least make it believable. it makes no sense that i would have berated you for a play that is 100% standard by the book poker.

the thing is... i've never been bitter or mean at the table, just very competitive. that means i never ever have "berated" people for completely standard plays, and i almost never "berated" amateurs. i just used to, admittedly, have a bad habit of getting upset about terrible plays from players i thought were supposed to be better than that. every now and again, when i get emotional for one reason or another, that comes up again. i think those that know me know that it's just a symptom of my hyper-competitive nature and i don't ever mean anything by it, but i get that it comes across poorly on TV. that's cool.

i'm sure people will always make up stories... i just thought the people who are actually watching might care to understand... sometimes when you're really caught up in the moment, you can get overly emotional when someone you think will act one way acts another. most of the time i'm just mad at myself for thinking one thing when another thing happened... i.e. i made a mistake, and i'm upset about that, and it comes across in a negative way. ah well, i'll continue to work on it and have this be rarer and rarer, most people will notice that, and i'm sure i'll also continue to read random made-up stories as well.

as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:44 PM   #174
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you guys are funny.

this sounds like a hand i TOTALLY would have berated you for. right. i love the stories from randoms about me flipping people off or berating people for no reason... like that EVER would have happened. if you're gonna complain about something i supposedly did five years ago to you, at least make it believable.

i've never been bitter or mean at the table, just very competitive. that means i never ever have "berated" people for completely standard plays, and i almost never "berated" amateurs. i just used to, admittedly, have a bad habit of getting upset about terrible plays from players i thought were supposed to be better than that. every now and again, when i get emotional for one reason or another, that comes up again. i think those that know me know that it's just a symptom of my hyper-competitive nature and i don't ever mean anything by it, but i get that it comes across poorly on TV. that's cool.

i'm sure people will always make up stories... i just thought the people who are actually watching might care to understand... sometimes when you're really caught up in the moment, you can get overly emotional when someone you think will act one way acts another. most of the time i'm just mad at myself for thinking one thing when another thing happened... i.e. i made a mistake, and i'm upset about that, and it comes across in a negative way. ah well, i'll continue to work on it and have this be rarer and rarer, most people will notice that, and i'm sure i'll also continue to read random made-up stories as well.

as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.
Vanessa pwns everyone on and off the felt as usual. Close thread
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:26 AM   #175
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you guys are funny.

this sounds like a hand i TOTALLY would have berated you for. right. i love the stories from randoms about me flipping people off or berating people for no reason... like that EVER would have happened. if you're gonna complain about something i supposedly did five years ago to you, at least make it believable. it makes no sense that i would have berated you for a play that is 100% standard by the book poker.

the thing is... i've never been bitter or mean at the table, just very competitive. that means i never ever have "berated" people for completely standard plays, and i almost never "berated" amateurs. i just used to, admittedly, have a bad habit of getting upset about terrible plays from players i thought were supposed to be better than that. every now and again, when i get emotional for one reason or another, that comes up again. i think those that know me know that it's just a symptom of my hyper-competitive nature and i don't ever mean anything by it, but i get that it comes across poorly on TV. that's cool.

i'm sure people will always make up stories... i just thought the people who are actually watching might care to understand... sometimes when you're really caught up in the moment, you can get overly emotional when someone you think will act one way acts another. most of the time i'm just mad at myself for thinking one thing when another thing happened... i.e. i made a mistake, and i'm upset about that, and it comes across in a negative way. ah well, i'll continue to work on it and have this be rarer and rarer, most people will notice that, and i'm sure i'll also continue to read random made-up stories as well.

as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.
So you'd consider it wrong to berate an amateur or somebody for making a standard play. But it's somewhat excusable to berate someone for making a bad play? I understand the in the moment aspect and competitive nature. The thing is...that still opens up people to berate you for your berating in general. Sort of like that Phil H guy. But hey, if that's all you have to work on then you're doing A-okay. Continued success to you.

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:28 AM   #176
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you guys are funny.

this sounds like a hand i TOTALLY would have berated you for. right. i love the stories from randoms about me flipping people off or berating people for no reason... like that EVER would have happened. if you're gonna complain about something i supposedly did five years ago to you, at least make it believable. it makes no sense that i would have berated you for a play that is 100% standard by the book poker.

the thing is... i've never been bitter or mean at the table, just very competitive. that means i never ever have "berated" people for completely standard plays, and i almost never "berated" amateurs. i just used to, admittedly, have a bad habit of getting upset about terrible plays from players i thought were supposed to be better than that. every now and again, when i get emotional for one reason or another, that comes up again. i think those that know me know that it's just a symptom of my hyper-competitive nature and i don't ever mean anything by it, but i get that it comes across poorly on TV. that's cool.

i'm sure people will always make up stories... i just thought the people who are actually watching might care to understand... sometimes when you're really caught up in the moment, you can get overly emotional when someone you think will act one way acts another. most of the time i'm just mad at myself for thinking one thing when another thing happened... i.e. i made a mistake, and i'm upset about that, and it comes across in a negative way. ah well, i'll continue to work on it and have this be rarer and rarer, most people will notice that, and i'm sure i'll also continue to read random made-up stories as well.

as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.


#TeamSelbst f the haters
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:23 AM   #177
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as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.
We both know you will never really get over it. It will sting every single time you see him from now on.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:09 PM   #178
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you guys are funny.

this sounds like a hand i TOTALLY would have berated you for. right. i love the stories from randoms about me flipping people off or berating people for no reason... like that EVER would have happened. if you're gonna complain about something i supposedly did five years ago to you, at least make it believable. it makes no sense that i would have berated you for a play that is 100% standard by the book poker.

the thing is... i've never been bitter or mean at the table, just very competitive. that means i never ever have "berated" people for completely standard plays, and i almost never "berated" amateurs. i just used to, admittedly, have a bad habit of getting upset about terrible plays from players i thought were supposed to be better than that. every now and again, when i get emotional for one reason or another, that comes up again. i think those that know me know that it's just a symptom of my hyper-competitive nature and i don't ever mean anything by it, but i get that it comes across poorly on TV. that's cool.

i'm sure people will always make up stories... i just thought the people who are actually watching might care to understand... sometimes when you're really caught up in the moment, you can get overly emotional when someone you think will act one way acts another. most of the time i'm just mad at myself for thinking one thing when another thing happened... i.e. i made a mistake, and i'm upset about that, and it comes across in a negative way. ah well, i'll continue to work on it and have this be rarer and rarer, most people will notice that, and i'm sure i'll also continue to read random made-up stories as well.

as far as this hand itself, me and kevin are over it and we're cool again, so you guys might as well get over it too.
believe what you wish, but i certainly remember all the (high stakes) hands i've played 4000 miles away from home against players i've previously seen on TV. that's exactly how the hand went. the only thing i'm not sure about is whether the flop was AQ6dd or AQ5dd. prior to this hand you had made comments that i seemed like just another crazy scandinavian kid. specifically remember you berating me on how i could call your 3bet pre with JT. i ofc felt that my play was 100% standard, but didn't see the point in explaining that to you or otherwise justifying the way i choose to play with my money. and even if my play hadn't been standard, i was absolutely dumbfounded by the fact that you choose to berate/educate random players you don't know, also on those times when you win. bottom line is you seemed as obnoxious back then as you did in that video.

nothing personal, i've only played with you once, but that's my first impression of you and i haven't seen the need to change it based on what i've seen of you on tv later.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:50 PM   #179
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believe what you wish, but i certainly remember all the (high stakes) hands i've played 4000 miles away from home against players i've previously seen on TV. that's exactly how the hand went..........

...........nothing personal, i've only played with you once, but that's my first impression of you and i haven't seen the need to change it based on what i've seen of you on tv later.
Don't you understand that her fans have declared that she has "pwned" you?

I find it telling that she not only accuses you of lying not once but twice but then goes to the bother of explaining what her standards are for her to "berate" someone...wtf?....and it's usally for players not living up to the high standards she demands of them - that's a clown comment if I've ever heard one.

She should just admit that she's a red-a$$ who flies off the handle when things sometimes don't go the way she expects and own it. That's a hell of a lot classier than her response here.


Players both famous and not-so-famous can be delta bravos, some make a habit of it even when they know it is being recorded for posterity. The key is to never let it bother you as much as it does them and this case you certainly appear to be the bigger person. The key for the red-a$$ is to grow the f**k up and act like an adult (or better yet like an adult profesional).
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:05 PM   #180
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So you'd consider it wrong to berate an amateur or somebody for making a standard play. But it's somewhat excusable to berate someone for making a bad play? I understand the in the moment aspect and competitive nature. The thing is...that still opens up people to berate you for your berating in general. Sort of like that Phil H guy. But hey, if that's all you have to work on then you're doing A-okay. Continued success to you.
Ok, that was the gentler, giving the benefit of the doubt version. Now, here's more of a hits home, truth hurts version. When she berates someone for a bad play, it's an in denial defense mechanism. Sometimes when she attempts to make a move, and someone makes a move back at her or catches her in the act, and her attempt fails, she has difficulty giving credit for a good play. It can only be a good play if it works for her. She gets upset when an opponent doesn't back down to the mighty Vanessa Selbst, and the in denial default is it was a bad play by opponent.

Vanessa, you are mighty, just take it as even the mighty gets humbled sometimes.

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