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06-16-2012, 03:20 PM
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#586
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2009
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by Valdivia10
Oppenheim is running so good..connecting with every flop...limping utg w/ 5s7s flops OESD+FD and hits both lol
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ya he ran sick and everyone folded to his bluffs.
was funny late in the session he had a hand against durrrr, he folded and rabbit hunted and would have hit broadway again.
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06-16-2012, 03:20 PM
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#587
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self-banned
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,884
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
Viffer also got "creative" when he massively overshoves 130k in Eli's face and when he massive over shove FD vs durrrr. Such a clown
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06-16-2012, 03:31 PM
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#588
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Staking on HSC
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by Waking Up
Did anyone see that Viffer vs durrrr hand where Viffer took a creative line with JJ? Dwan opens button with Q8dd, Viffer smooth calls in SB with JJ and Openheim joins. durrr cbets a 9 high flop flush draw and just gets called by Viffer. Turn brings the ace, and Viffer oop leads out for 12,000 into like 28,000, a defensivehish type of bet. He must have figured that durrrr rarely has an ace here, and that Openheim flats so wide in BB that he probably doesn't have one either so it's this sort of c/c donk turn control the tempo of the pot bet.
River blanks and Viffer checks quickly, durrrr tanks it for a while and fires a 1/2 pot bluff and Viffer quickly snaps it off.
Anyone ever take a line like that? In what types of situations? Strange hand but very creative by Viffer.
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Vif played that hand very well. He didn't want to bloat the pot and get RR OTR so he was happy to check call or check check. I'm sure he never planned on folding.
I don't really think it's an unusual line and certainly the correct play in that spot particularly vs. Durrr who is very creative and capable of just about anything.
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06-16-2012, 03:50 PM
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#589
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grinder
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 512
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
Final episode set to record and got darts and infomercial.
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06-16-2012, 04:06 PM
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#590
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veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3,480
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
Any chance of ever getting to see eps 1 and 3? Kind of want to see the first ones before the last ones...
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06-16-2012, 04:11 PM
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#591
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old hand
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
I like the way Viffer played the JJ hand as well... Doesn't bloat the pot oop preflop b/c he knows Tom can flat the btn with a wide range and make things really tricky for him... Then after the flop, I think he realizes that Dwans' range is heavily weighted towards draws and straight up bluffs. He loses some value from straight up bluffs by donking, but he also charges the draws and sets his price to see the river since Tom probably won't raise the turn without a very strong hand. Then the river bricks, so he gives Tom a shot to bluff the missed draws...
I wonder what line he would have taken if the turn were a low blank card like a deuce? And, of course if Tom had had the nut flush draw instead of the queen high flush draw, Viffer looks like a donk for calling down with jacks with an Ace on board, but that's poker, I guess.
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06-16-2012, 05:28 PM
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#592
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 592
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
I like the way Viffer played the JJ hand as well... Doesn't bloat the pot oop preflop b/c he knows Tom can flat the btn with a wide range and make things really tricky for him... Then after the flop, I think he realizes that Dwans' range is heavily weighted towards draws and straight up bluffs. He loses some value from straight up bluffs by donking, but he also charges the draws and sets his price to see the river since Tom probably won't raise the turn without a very strong hand. Then the river bricks, so he gives Tom a shot to bluff the missed draws...
I wonder what line he would have taken if the turn were a low blank card like a deuce? And, of course if Tom had had the nut flush draw instead of the queen high flush draw, Viffer looks like a donk for calling down with jacks with an Ace on board, but that's poker, I guess.
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Right. The small turn bet was designed to prevent durrrr from making a bigger bet as a bluff when the ace comes, which would make it harder for Viffer to decide what to do, basically he's making a cheap bet designed to see a river cheaply without someone getting creative on the ace. It's also hard to bluffraise or make a play at this bet because Viffer could probably make this bet with an ace too, although it seems unlikely, but maybe Viffer has made this type of play before while hitting the turn so we can't really say as we don't know their entire meta game.
With a smaller card, Viffer has the option of donking the same small bet or a bigger bet like 2/3 the pot. The question would be, how often is durrr going to check back a small card on the turn and not fire a second barrel. If he is going to checkback often, Viffer should bet the turn a little bigger as durrrr will be calling often. I think he bets bigger on a lower card for this very reason, since it's likely durrr will checkback a low card three way and not double barrel the FD unless it was heads up.
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06-16-2012, 05:30 PM
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#593
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 592
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
Also, did anyone else get angry that durrrr didn't pull the trigger on Oppenheim's insanely small 30k triple barrel bluff on the river with his busted FD? If Oppenheim was value betting a king there, wouldn't he value bet a little larger, like 50kish. 30k is insanely small in relation to pot size and it is super tempting to bluffraise there. Maybe durrrr didn't have an exact read on Oppenheim's bluff bet sizing in these type of situations so he didn't bother.
edit: Perhaps 30k could be viewed as a blocking bet with a K as well, so durrrr decided not to get fancy for this very reason. That makes sense.
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06-16-2012, 05:31 PM
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#594
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self-banned
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by Waking Up
Also, did anyone else get angry that durrrr didn't pull the trigger on Oppenheim's insanely small 30k triple barrel bluff on the river with his busted FD? If Oppenheim was value betting a king there, wouldn't he value bet a little larger, like 50kish. 30k is insanely small in relation to pot size and it is super tempting to bluffraise there. Maybe durrrr didn't have an exact read on Oppenheim's bluff bet sizing in these type of situations so he didn't bother.
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durrr's hand would make no sense if he raises
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06-16-2012, 05:34 PM
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#595
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 592
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by LT22
durrr's hand would make no sense if he raises
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That's true, being that he would raise his sets and two pairs on the flop/turn. Opp's sizing doesn't make sense either unless it's a blocking bet with a K. Would be interesting to see if durrrr could figure out that he never has a K there, then it would come down to how many bluffcatchers would be in Opp's range should durrrr decide to raise.
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06-16-2012, 07:03 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,898
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
Durrr's bet call with 999's just seemed silly but what do I know. Check-call, bet-fold, or even check-fold all seem better.
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06-16-2012, 07:05 PM
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#597
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: SGT RJ's number one fan
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by bewilderedman
i see you offer great insight to others on his forum
"http://www.pokertube.com/free-poker-...8_-_Berlin_ep9
hand starts at 4:20
not gonna say what I think about the hand because nobody gives a **** about that
DISCUSS "
it does not make any sense to me to either bluff or valuebet from dwan's perspective
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beat: you looked through my posting history... lul always nice to meet a fan.
and tbh i would rather give no analysis on a hand than post complete garbage.
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06-16-2012, 07:34 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by lawdude
Great job by Viffer owning Dwan in tonight's episode... Then he snap-called a bluff with JJ with an ace on board.
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When Viff checked the river, The Voice of God (Nejad) wisely said "Viffer shuts it down". I remember thinking "No, Viffer checks to his overly aggressive opponent to allow him to bluff". The only reason he paused before calling Dwan's was, well, it was $26,000 and he didn't even have top pair. I knew he was calling, no matter the amount.
Personally, I think the reason this week was sortof lackluster was because the stakes are a bit too high and there's too much money on the table. Also, 6-handed is a bit short. Even a sicko degenerate like Ivey has to get up when he's $200k down.
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06-16-2012, 07:43 PM
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#599
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by LOL POT-ODDS
beat: you looked through my posting history... lul always nice to meet a fan.
and tbh i would rather give no analysis on a hand than post complete garbage.
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i did not look through your posting history,i posted in the mentioned thread a few days ago
you just seem to attack every thread to get your post count up
if it makes you feel better,eh
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06-16-2012, 07:44 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Re: Poker After Dark returns, airing on NBC Sports Network ("new" episodes air week of June 4)
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Originally Posted by Carnivore
Durrr's bet call with 999's just seemed silly but what do I know. Check-call, bet-fold, or even check-fold all seem better.
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least one person agrees with me
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