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Old 04-17-2010, 05:04 AM   #151
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

Definitely not the worst but he is in the list of professional poker players who played extremely bad on HSP. He keeps misplaying every big pot.
Some people mentioned his great calls/folds, he makes so many incorrect calls/folds based on his reads, I think he's doomed to look like a genius every now and then when he is right and those hands are on youtube with the title "Amazing lay down by Daniel Negreanu".

On a slightly offtopic note:
PH and Mike Matusow misplayed tons of hands too but when I watch them on TV losing a pot I find it entertaining.
On the other hand, I don't want to see DN lose because:
-He doesn't berate people when he gets outplayed.
-When he misplays a hand and loses , he just smiles and says nh.
-He doesn't think he is a genius or the best poker player ever, openly admits he still has a lot to learn.
-He doesn't blow up when he takes a bad beat.
-He doesn't curse at the poker table.

I think he is genuinely a nice guy, hope he keeps winning on tourneys and starts winning on nl hold'em cash games.
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Old 04-17-2010, 05:05 AM   #152
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

Dennis Phillips was the worst I've seen.
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Old 04-18-2010, 07:57 PM   #153
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

jamie gold surely?!
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Old 04-18-2010, 09:07 PM   #154
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

it hurts to say as negreanu is one of my favourite players, but he has not been playing very good over all the seasons. most likely because he has been having so much bad luck which has made his judgement foggy.

imo lex veldhuis is the worst player in season 6. he is trying to play his tournament plays on the pros, which does not work. i actually think hellmuth played quite well in the few hands he played in s6.
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:16 PM   #155
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It seemed Lex made great moves but got unlucky.

He 3bet DN who had raised with garbage. Good play. Robl had QQ. Bad luck. Robl flops a set. Bad luck. Many other boards Robl would've folded.

He made a great 4bet on Phil Ivey.

It was Phil Ivey. Bad luck.

He also made a 3bet against DN, who then called with J9 and flopped a straight. Bad luck. His call on the river in this hand was his only questionable play.
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Old 04-19-2010, 01:44 PM   #156
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LOL, Eli Elezra pwned Daniel when both were holding AJ...Daniel calls pretty big raise out of position, then plays it Check-Check, Check-Fold.....Pwned!
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:02 PM   #157
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Mentally Ivey and Dwan and Antonious seem to be rock solid. They take a loss right on the chin. I couldn't even imagine Ivey getting upset, and you could probably walk over and give Antonious a wet willy and he wouldn't respond.

Daniel gets upset, and he's in some BIG pots with weak hands, or when he finally gets a hand he can run with he'll do some sort of weird play. I dunno.
I'm sure like a lot of you on here I've forced family and friends who aren't big poker fans to watch poker on TV. Most have all said "I like that Dwan guy because he seems so laid back even when losing," or something to that effect.

A few of my friends were watching that huge hand on the FT Million Dollar game where Dwan's AA gets cracked by Patrik's KK and instead of wigging out and crying like PH or MM, he just cracks a joke about there still being pizza there, before taking a short break from the game, and coming back strong in the session. Super impressive. It's no wonder he, Ivey and Patrik do so well in cash games. They all keep their sh*t together.
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Old 04-19-2010, 06:13 PM   #158
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LOL, Eli Elezra pwned Daniel when both were holding AJ...Daniel calls pretty big raise out of position, then plays it Check-Check, Check-Fold.....Pwned!

Does DN ever fold to a 3bet or a 4bet preflop?

Seems like never. Calling a reraise oop with AJ is just plain terrible, unless you have a read that your opponent is really weak and making a move (in which case you don't give up when you flop middle pair). I don't think DN ever goes an episode without playing an awful hand.

He may not be the worst player on HSP, but he has played the worst, consistently. Running bad hasn't helped, but it was really only in like season 2 that he ran really bad.
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Old 04-19-2010, 06:27 PM   #159
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:31 PM   #160
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Some people mentioned his great calls/folds, he makes so many incorrect calls/folds based on his reads, I think he's doomed to look like a genius every now and then when he is right and those hands are on youtube with the title "Amazing lay down by Daniel Negreanu".
His amazing reads/calls/laydowns are against a lot of the weaker players, and some of them are, quite frankly, standard.

Most of his incorrect plays are against players in the top two or three tiers of poker.


In HSP 5 and 6, I think Negreanu's bad play can be attributed to him not successfully adapting to a different table dynamic. In the first four seasons, he was justified in being an active player in in a lot of pots because of how weak a lot of the tables were. He did make some bad calls in pretty big pots when he was unlucky, and steaming, but I think he also made some really good plays, which were not emphasized because they were in lots of smaller pots.

Recently, he's been against much tougher line ups, and as a result, he's nitted up and played a bit weaker, but he hasn't adjusted his entire game to fit that (if he wants to take this approach, he should really play more like Esfandiari or Doyle).
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:21 PM   #161
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Ya Negreanu isn't a good player any more. There is just poker players that are way better than him. Negreanu didn't get better over the last 5 years while most players did.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:33 PM   #162
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Ya Negreanu isn't a good player any more. There is just poker players that are way better than him. Negreanu didn't get better over the last 5 years while most players did.
Imo, in NLHE cash games, it seems like he's actually regressed in the last couple of years. His tournament record is still very sexy though.
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Old 04-19-2010, 11:54 PM   #163
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wtf is wrong with you people? did you miss the first 4 seasons or something?
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:19 AM   #164
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Does DN ever fold to a 3bet or a 4bet preflop?

Seems like never. Calling a reraise oop with AJ is just plain terrible, unless you have a read that your opponent is really weak and making a move (in which case you don't give up when you flop middle pair). I don't think DN ever goes an episode without playing an awful hand.

He may not be the worst player on HSP, but he has played the worst, consistently. Running bad hasn't helped, but it was really only in like season 2 that he ran really bad.
agree w/this. there was another hand where it went like limp, limp, negreanu overlimps AJo, doyle in the BB w/AKo raises to 10k, gus calls w/55, negreanu calls again w/AJo.

seems like just an awful awful call that is going to get him owned by doyle (whose range just dominates AJo there) so much.
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:10 AM   #165
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crazy laydown
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:52 AM   #166
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DmlqQLJbc

That laydown was crazy
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:38 PM   #167
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Yea, I guess his plan was to check the turn and then fold to any action on the river when a non-threatening A hits...LMAO.

On another note, looks like DN just went busto in the Bellagio WPT Championship, and just sent out this tweet:

"I'm going to start a game in Bobby's Room. Haven't played live poker in a while"

I can hear the herd thundering over to Bobby's Room as we speak! LOL
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:11 PM   #168
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I actually think that's a pretty decent fold a lot of the time in multi-way pots with decent players. Most players wouldn't have the balls to do that with a 7-high flush.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:15 PM   #169
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Does DN ever fold to a 3bet or a 4bet preflop?

Seems like never. Calling a reraise oop with AJ is just plain terrible, unless you have a read that your opponent is really weak and making a move (in which case you don't give up when you flop middle pair). I don't think DN ever goes an episode without playing an awful hand.

He may not be the worst player on HSP, but he has played the worst, consistently. Running bad hasn't helped, but it was really only in like season 2 that he ran really bad.
Dwan rarely folds to 3/4-bets pre-flop if he was the last one raising. I think the idea is to get people to 3/4-bet you less if they know they don't have fold equity, so they can only do it on a narrow range of hands.

Daniel misses too much value post-flop in order to justify overcalling, though.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:16 PM   #170
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Yea, I guess his plan was to check the turn and then fold to any action on the river when a non-threatening A hits...LMAO.
What are you talking about? He didn't check-fold, he bet-fold. There's a huge difference.
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:26 PM   #171
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What are you talking about? He didn't check-fold, he bet-fold. There's a huge difference.
uh not really, he got action, he folded.
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Old 04-20-2010, 10:35 PM   #172
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uh not really, he got action, he folded.
[ ] you're good at poker.
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Old 04-20-2010, 11:19 PM   #173
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[ ] you're good at poker.
No Daniel is better, folding the best flush on the river after action on turn went check-check-check,....Benyamine's action in the hand: overcall pf raise, check-call flop, check turn, check-raise river....I'm sorry given that line I don't know how Daniel folds his hand, especially after he has consistently paid off with much much worse in previous hands.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:33 AM   #174
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No Daniel is better, folding the best flush on the river after action on turn went check-check-check,....Benyamine's action in the hand: overcall pf raise, check-call flop, check turn, check-raise river....I'm sorry given that line I don't know how Daniel folds his hand, especially after he has consistently paid off with much much worse in previous hands.
Isn't this an argument to fold a 10 high flush here?
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:13 AM   #175
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Lol. When Daniel finally coolers someone he folds.
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