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Old 04-13-2010, 05:10 AM   #51
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

I mean, I thought Bob Stupak was pretty bad.

Actually, I'm going to make a list from memory of all players worse than DN(at that I've seen on HSP at NL Cash)

People that are for sure worse imo:
Bob Stupak, Jerry Buss, Freddy Chamanara, Allan Meltzer, Jamie Gold, Antonio Salario, Sam Simon, Phil Hellmuth.

Debatable who played worse betwen these people and DN:

Dr. Amir Nasseri, Phil Laak, Johnny Chan(I'm pretty sure he butchered some hands, I don't remember for sure), Brian Brandon, Mike Matusow(probably not), Sam Farha(I know he is a fan favorite, but in season 4 he played a session where he just shoved in like 5 buyins/reloads drawing dead), Mimi Tran(okay, she couldn;t have played worse than DN since she flopped the nuts every hand then quit), Jen Harmen. Guy (Just look at the 800k pot between him and Doyle......)

This is all just off the top of my head so I'm not too sure about this.
FWIW, DN only really played poorly in big pots, I think he plays most of the small pots pretty well.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:10 AM   #52
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:11 AM   #53
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Anyone who thinks Eli is the worst hasn't been paying attention. One of the, if not the biggest winner(s) on HSP. The guy has won every season. Maybe he doesn't look like he's doing anything special, but he's winning.
Jamie Gold is clearly the worst of the 'so called' pros and Alan Meltzer the worst of the amateurs.
Eli has definitely booked a lot of wins on HSP......He does steam at times, but he is one of the better players in every lineup.

Also the fact that Dwan does not seem to like to tangle with Eli says a lot too...JMO
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:14 AM   #54
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Sam Farha(I know he is a fan favorite, but in season 4 he played a session where he just shoved in like 5 buyins/reloads drawing dead),.
OMG I remember that..it was so brutal to watch esp where he shoved 80k into Baxter blind...!!!...I love Sammy but that was just awful..

Why hasn't DN come on here and defended himself yet?

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Old 04-13-2010, 05:46 AM   #55
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Why hasn't DN come on here and defended himself yet?
Probably because if he came on here to "defend" himself in every thread about why he sucks after people watch a few hands on TV then he would have zero time to fly around the world winning money playing poker. Which is what he does every year.

I'm not saying he plays his best on HSP, but for every idiot here who claims that "lol 100 million hands played not enuff sample size to go pro yet", they are clearly missing the point that DN's follies on HSP come to the the most miniscule of miniscule samples. Irrelevant to his true skill.
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:19 AM   #56
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

I think he plays way too many hands in a setting where's he has no skill advantage. He should nit it up. Doesn't make for great tv but that would be the only reasonable strategy imo.

Also I don't get the whole Negreanu bashing at all. Yeah he might be one of the "fishes" at the table, but there's arguably some of the best players in the world so it's no shame to be outclassed.
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:33 AM   #57
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

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I mean, I thought Bob Stupak was pretty bad.

Actually, I'm going to make a list from memory of all players worse than DN(at that I've seen on HSP at NL Cash)

People that are for sure worse imo:
Bob Stupak, Jerry Buss, Freddy Chamanara, Allan Meltzer, Jamie Gold, Antonio Salario, Sam Simon, Phil Hellmuth.

Debatable who played worse betwen these people and DN:

Dr. Amir Nasseri, Phil Laak, Johnny Chan(I'm pretty sure he butchered some hands, I don't remember for sure), Brian Brandon, Mike Matusow(probably not), Sam Farha(I know he is a fan favorite, but in season 4 he played a session where he just shoved in like 5 buyins/reloads drawing dead), Mimi Tran(okay, she couldn;t have played worse than DN since she flopped the nuts every hand then quit), Jen Harmen. Guy (Just look at the 800k pot between him and Doyle......)
Thank God you came into the thread Folding Soup. I was starting to believe I was the only person in it who has actually watched this show.

Guys, have you seen ALAN MELTZER? BOB STUPAK? BRIAN BRANDON?
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:43 AM   #58
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

DN's appreances on HSP should be treated as reminder to everyone that even the best in the business can have off days, be constantly coolered, make bad laydowns, make bad calls/bluffs in the wrong spots, constantly feel like we're being run over...I mean...its not like he's sitting at the Party poker big game...he's sitting with Durrr IVey PA Eli, who play this big all the time..I think DN puts too much pressure on himself to keep up to that level after dissing PH etc. The difference is that DN can have his day and play just as good as the rest...he doesn't do anything wrong...I think its just too tough a game for him, and I'm sure he knows it, and I'm sure out of all the mistakes he makes (and everyone makes mistakes in poker, there'd be no game otherwise) he learns, adjusts, and succeeds in other spots (maybe with a different table!) The fact he can sit there says it all really....
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:53 AM   #59
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

Why is Todd Brunson getting a walk in this thread? The only reason he is invited is because of his dad as Todd is hopeless at this level

Whatever you might think of Elezra, Farha and Negranu and to an extent even Jamie Gold, at least they try and play poker and not be predictable like Todd. I hate the so-called high stakes players who just sit and wait for good hands, miss their flop and fold to a simple feeler bet.

He`s played ONE decent hand in six seasons, which wasnt even that big and he should of lost, the other two played the hand very badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9jHmmnW_f4
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:05 AM   #60
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Even this season, besides Dwan, ivey, Antonius, Veldhuis and possibly Greenstein, who has played better?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:13 AM   #61
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Bob Stupak, eod
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:28 AM   #62
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

Stupak
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The guy who bluffed 72 vs KKKK
The guy who played the KKKK
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:30 AM   #63
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

this would be a epic thread if DN comes here to respond in this thread.


But ya he has been playing pretty bad on the show lately
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:45 AM   #64
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:55 AM   #65
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he has been playing pretty bad on the show lately
Indeed.
But being from the PT/HEM generation should we not wait until we get a 60k database together to make a solid judgement on the worst?
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:33 AM   #66
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

what's your point OP? he's still more baller than you'll ever be.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:39 AM   #67
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

most of the posts here are just pathetic. i mean okay daniel cant beat guys like durrrr, ivey or PA - who are nothing less but the tophat of NLHE players in the world - but saying he wouldnt be able to beat 200nl online is just ridiculous.
daniel is playing the worst this season i have ever seen him play on tv but at least he admits to that and is willing to work on fixing his leaks. and the fact alone that he realizes he sucks makes him better than 99% of the 200nl regs who think they could beat him.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:43 AM   #68
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ugggh, seeing this picture almost made me vomit. not only a horrendously bad player but a horrible human being in every way too.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:55 AM   #69
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Dude u sound more like hardcore DN fan, i have nothing to do with DN, i was just talking based on the facts infront of u.

the only reason he could play 100/200 online as he has good amount of bank roll to support his confused game.

dont under estimate these internet players, just that they are not properly rolled for high games doesnt make them bad, sure they do take time to move up the limits as variance plays a bigger role in that, unless they get a break winning a major tournament.

All the good players at every level and also all good players in this forum do have same level of understanding of the game of poker(NL HOLDEM cash game) as ur hero DN does, if not better than he does.

im pretty sure that he doesnt even stand in top 500 best cash game nl holdem players in the world

I am far from a fanboy. AS far as "not underestimating these internet players"...I AM one of those internet players. Been playing at and beating 1/2 through 5/10 online consistently for 7 years, with occasional shots higher. Live I play significantly higher....usually 10/25 or 25/50.

I've seen the morphing of the game. Went through times where my edge was so great it was like printing money. Watched as the game passed me by when I took a hiatus and had to spend a ton of time and hours working on and refining my game to catch back up. I am now a pretty solid player, but no superstar.

I think I understand a bit how the typical 1/2 online player plays and a bit how DN plays (have played with him in tournaments but never cash...was much better than I thought he would be...good sense of textures and situational awareness.)

Some 1/2 players are truly excellent, but these guys generally don't stay at 1/2 too long. Many are solid with good fundamentals but some leak that is keeping them at their current level. Some are just LOL bad and are in it to have fun. I'm not a superstar, but I'm not a slouch. DN is better than me, and I beat 1/2 without much effort. I would not think of going past 25/50 NL online with my own cash...I'd be outclassed and just looking to get lucky. This is probably the level I would put DN's game.

To say he is not one of the 500 best ring game players in the world...I say...You're probably right! being one of the top 500 players would put you in the upper 99.995% of players. DN is not there. But don't delude yourself into thinking he is not in that upper 1%. To very loosely paraphrase the great Darryl Strawberry as animated by the Simpsons, "I know nothing about you, but I am sure he can beat you."

He's working on his game, doing the right things. Realizes he has leaks. Realizes he does not stand up against the toughest people on the internet at this point in time, and is doing something about it. That to me tell me that he really does get it. He's even willing to put up his own cash to improve.

See This Thread for some more information. Saying he is one of the best players in the world is just as ridiculous as saying he can't beat 1/2 online. Both are extreme exagerations that come from a place of pure ignorance.

And as an aside, to say that I am a fanboy of anyone in poker shows how truly little you know about me and how quick you are to make rash generalizations.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:29 AM   #70
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Lol I'm beating 1/2 online and there's no doubt in my mind that I'd get crushed by DN. That statement is just soooo ridiculous it's not even funny...
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:17 AM   #71
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Lol I'm beating 1/2 online and there's no doubt in my mind that I'd get crushed by DN. That statement is just soooo ridiculous it's not even funny...
He obv is not the worst on HSP but why would you say that you would get crushed? I don't know anything about your game but DN's NLHE cash game is not that great that he can crush any rank amateur at will. Play ten sessions live and ten online and you may find that you are far from being crushed. Now play Ivey ten sessions online and ten live and yes, you would be crushed.

Tournaments are another story, though. When DN is on his game he is close to unstoppable in a tournament.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:19 AM   #72
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Lol I'm beating 1/2 online and there's no doubt in my mind that I'd get crushed by DN. That statement is just soooo ridiculous it's not even funny...
Really? That's what you got from that?
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Old 04-13-2010, 12:51 PM   #73
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Re: Is Negreanu the worst player ever on High Stakes Poker?

What about Lederer? I thought he was way too tight the only HSP session I saw him in...didn't he get schooled a few times from Joe Hachem? I just remember him being ultra-tight and folding to most raises with the best hand.

I would also note that Bill Chen was the most uncomfortable player on HSP...what a geek.

My favorite player.....Brad Booth. Yukon threw down with Phil Ivey and won, instant respect in my books.
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Old 04-13-2010, 01:34 PM   #74
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negreanu def isn't the worst player but he's def a spot at the table. you could argue that negreanu hasn't been in the most favorable spots this season but the other players get into similar spots and lose the minimum. Even Dennis Philips folded TPTK against Antonius on the turn correctly, which is something I don't think Negreanu would've done.

edit: chicanuck lol at Booth being your favorite player bc he bluffed Ivey out of a 38k pot. He had to bet over 300k to win not even 32BBs from Ivey

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Old 04-13-2010, 01:53 PM   #75
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He'd crush me cause he has way more experience and would be a lot better at adjusting to my game than I'd be adjusting to his. And I'm convinced that's true for most of the SSNL regs. Obviously I can't know that for sure just as you claiming that he sucks can't know it. So he lost in a line up with durr, Ivey, Antonius, Greenstein just to name a few and that makes him a bad player? Worse than a 200nl reg online? Really??? I don't think so. Even if I knew as much about NL cash game theory (I doubt it but how could I know...) I'm pretty sure I'd still lose because he'd develop reads more quickly and more accurately and he'd adapt to my game better and faster. And don't tell me he hasn't been able to adapt on HSP, cause my game is a lot worse and has more leaks than that of the guys in that lineup.
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