Certainly not, Daniel's great personality was one of the things that attracted me to poker in the first place and he's obv hugely talented. He has a great sense of humour and I really enjoy watching him play. I think it's great that someone as good as him can be so down to earth. The guy is a legend in my book.

Dennis Phillips was pretty bad. Lex played bad. Andrew Robl was terrible. Jamie Gold was brutal. Bob Safai was for sure worse than DN. Corey Ziedman sucks.

i agree, hellmuth is a lunatic, but a great player- just calling king high flush was best move in all of season six IMO

Ummm Eli worse high stakes player....?????? Are u for real. The Guy lives in Bobby's room

it's 2010 and people still consider players like DN and Hellmuth world-class based on tourney results from a few years ago. Good Lord people wake the F up..

well they sure didn't become worse over the years (hellmuth maybe did, but as i said he actually played great in HSP s6, despite getting pwnd constantly), negraneu finished 2nd at wsop 2009 europe witch was perheaps strongest up to date in terms of competition

A)Tournament results don't mean anything. I just means you ran better than the other players at this stage of poker's existence.

B)Hellmuth's cash-game is horrible. Some people still think he's good because he constantly tells people that he is. Why do you people believe him? His fundamentals are atroscious. In addition, he recently said on PAD, with a straight face, something like 54-suited had been hitting all week, so he played it lol. It's something that you'd see a fish type in chat in a 10NL game. What's next, change the deck so your luck will change?

He is entertaining to watch for sure (i love watching him), but imo he is a terrible cash game player and if he sat at a typical 400NL 6max game online, he'd be like the 4th best player at the table. He's a fish who wins sometimes because of variance.

C)Everyone else has gotten better. So relatively speaking, they've gotten worse over the years.

I'd be very surprised if he was 4th best. He might usually be 5th best, since the games usually run around one fish, but I actually think most often, he would be that fish, and thus, he'd be 6th, by far, quite often.

If he was 4th best in the game, it would be one of the softest games running.

I never understood why people thought DN was any good. Then I watched him win at Borgata on the WPT against David Williams, who was also playing terrific poker. It was almost psychic hand-reading on display.

Then I watched him on some subsequent shows, and I'm back where I started.

Daniel plays in Bobby's room as well, so I don't get why that means Eli can't be worse than Daniel... he definitely comes off as more stationy

Anyway, they don't play exclusively 8max NLHE in Bobby's room. Eli's (apparently) strong in other games, and better short handed, but he's spewy in full ring NLHE. He also seem's to have run very good on HSP.

My theory is that it is worth more for DN to misplay a million pots but to have one "INSANE" play whether that be a bluff a laydown or whatever. The fish will make a youtube video of it and say "OMG DN is a GOD, he's the best ever!" And DN will laugh all the way to the bank with his millions in endorsements. This would explain a lot to me. If you look at it from the perspective of he's trying to play good poker to make money- then ya he sucks.

Look at the difference in demeanor from season 1 where he went on the show with a million and acted like nobody could touch him. His sheer attitude is the exact opposite now - I don't think he a. expects to win or b. cares whether he wins or not so long as c. he makes some crazy play.

I'll tell you what I like about DN, though: his cheerful contempt for Phil Hellmuth.

He did make a great book against PH on the PAD cash game last season.

Neither of them are really at their best in cash games (in fact, one could argue that they are both horrible). But they have 15 bracelets between them (and DN has two WPT wins), so are both easily in the top one percent of all tournament players.

Am I the only that thinks Ziigmund didn't play all that well on HSP at least the first half? For having such an aggressive reputation, I thought he played a lot of hands rather passively/poorly and really wasn't all that impressed with his play.

Originally I thought Eli was pretty bad. Although fundamentally he is, he's a feel player and he does have a good feel on how players play. Take for example the first hand Mercier played (he had 22) and Dwan re-raised him. Just by looking at Dwan, he knew Tom was raising thin and made the side bet with Antonio.

As for Daniel, the fact that he hasn't play cash games a lot the last few years, I think he tries to compensate by using his tournament strategy/experience, ie splashes around a lot. It works well for him in tournaments since players aren't deep enough to play back in a lot of situations but does not work well on HSP since everyone is deep. Plus he seems to go on mega-tilt when he's down which is odd since he has more control of his emotions in tournaments.

I was a little disappointed in Howard but the fact is, he doesn't play a lot of NLHE cash games and throwing him in that lineup, especially with Dwan (and Ziigmund?) on his left, I think he was a bit intimidated TBH.

Shieky Shiek Khan.

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Form e Daniel is by far the worst player, would be fun to hear what the big names REALLY think about his game.
Noone has anything positive to say about P.H:s game, but he is a easy target to make fun of, but I think they want Daniel to think hes good at cash game.

among the regular or semi regular players i think so

he's always been erratic to put it kindly at no limit cash games, lacking discipline and fundamentals.

really despite his occasional protests i don't even think he cares that much about anything other than tournaments anymore, he makes an appearance when need be to maintain his poker celebrity profile and keep the pokerstars piggy bank open

yes. yes he is.

Seriously, it's no wonder he's losing when he's calling 40bb reraises with a small suited connector against a tight opponent with a 100bb stack. Seen him do stuff like that several times in the early seasons of HSP. He also loved to get his money in with 1 pair in several spots where he shouldn't, being a 30/70 dog. Seriously, he's been a 30/70 dog in at least ten 200K+ pots. He seemed to be used to hit the deck and was surprised when he missed (calling it unlucky). As we all know it was just bad play.

In later seasons he played more tight and really did get unlucky sometimes it seemed. But he also just wasn't as good as his opponents, playing a very ABC style.

Negreau is the best player of all time. He can call out any card

I recently watched HSP Season 2... on the river Daniel allways correctly guesses opponent's hand and then proceeds to make a bad call anyway?!

Yes, he's worse than Fred Chamanara and the real estate douche from LA combined, whatever his name is....

Actually he's so bad, the way the producers had amateurs come on the show was by telling them DN would be there, so they'd have a complete noob fish to feed on.

I don't think he's the worst but he's been on the longest and made the most mistakes out of anybody. That Meltzer guy is the person I'd nominate as the worst. His call with KK when Dwan rivered a full house was just abysmal.

Worst:
- Jamie Gold
- Eli Elezra
- Phil Hellmuth
- Mike Matusow
- Sam Farha
- Daniel Negreaneu

He is much better than a lot of these old school ****ty players. At least he tries to play online and is familiar with squeezing, 4bettling light, and new more aggressive online moves.