I just read the title, but come on, there have been so many bad players which are definitely worse than DN. I mean Dennis Phillips, Jerry Buss, Guy Laliberte, Fred Chamenara to name a few.

This... is kinda wrong. If Daniel was correct and Mike had AK (not both being clubs of course) Daniel is actually a substantial favorite. AQ too. unfortunately Mike had the nut flush draw, and it was still a coinflip.

Mike's bet on the flop didn't make sense. If Mike had AA or KK, why would he ship on that flop? Do you think Daniel called Mike's raise with 3/5 or 5/8? Obviously not. Even a set is highly unlikely here.

Daniel's read was correct. Daniel just got unlucky, again.

I think it makes more sense if you factor in other hands Mike will do that with. He's obviously trying to rep AA/KK. His ship on the flop can include:

AK/AQ/flushdraws/QQ/KK/AA

These are all fairly decent hands to ship against Negreanu, who has an overall weaker range (pocket pairs) and possibly AXcc in this spot (I know Mike has the Ac in this spot, but assuming Mike had KK, he can't know for sure).

Over time, if Mike balances this play right (which I highly doubt he would, given how differently he plays QQ+ to AK/AQ), it becomes unprofitable for Negreanu to call with worse than QQ. I could be wrong, but given the amount that Negreanu had to call pre-flop, I think it's pretty marginal to call to set-mine as well. (call 30ish to profit 260ish? )

Daniel's first donk move in the hand was a 10x-straddle raise to 16K, which made him feel compelled to call a limp/reraise move from Matusow. Seems to me with a 1,600 straddle and I think like 4 limpers, a more reasonable raise would have been somewhere in the 8K to 11K range (3x the straddle BB of 1,600, then maybe another 3-4x1600 on top for 9,600-11,200). But a lower raise of 8k might even accomplish the same thing.

I realize he was probably just trying to win the pot right there, but what are you going to do with TT when you 10x-straddle raise to 16K and get re-popped to 48K?? How can your TT be any good? Flipping at best if that's how you really want to stackoff all the time.

Victor Ramdin imo

What's the over/under on how long it takes PokerStars to begin to minimize DN's role in their advertising if he keeps playing embarassing poker?

If you're results oriented, and your opinion is based on who has lost the MOST on HSP, then who else but DN has lost more, and won the least based on # of show appearances?

Has he ever had a winning session on HSP?

How many episodes has he been on?

I think Elezera plays heaps better than DN.

I think DN has been moderately unlucky and complains as if he's been unbelievably unlucky, which simply isn't true. He has been unlucky, but some of that is getting himself in situations that some of the other players seem to avoid.

I think Eli was pretty wild in the first episodes, but in the later episodes I think he's proven himself to be a very good player.

Edit: in any case, I reckon all of those people in the list are much better than 99% of the people here! Maybe we're not really qualified to be passing judgement on these guys.

Eli isn't even close to the worst player.

Eli isn't even close to the worst player.

he runs bad.

How about every single guest appearance on HSP like "Guy" the dude who owns circus circus or cirque de soliel (dunno which one it is) or that Seltzer dude. Or even that guy that's a director.

You're going to watch the hand Daniel plays against Gus where he is almost 100% certain he got rivered and almost folds a higher full house... like he does NOT snap call with a boat he really wanted to fold but couldn't... and then you're going to tell me he's the worst? Back in the early seasons DN was damn near the best.

The middle seasons, his play suffered for a few reasons. He was having family issues, his fundamental cash game skills weren't that great and I think he was having a little lack of DN Luck.

During these recent sessions, his play is much better. He's figured things out and plays some crazy hands against Dwan. Hands where people like Howard Lederer consistently make the wrong play and DN consistently makes the right one.

After watching most of season 2, I can indeed confirm that Fred Chamanara is indeed the worst player ever on HSP.

I've rewatched to season 4, and I'm consistently sure that Sam Farha is the worst.

Oh, he's entertaining, but a horrible horrible NL cash player.

he's balancing his range

Forget Freddy this week; Do you want to see a real horror show? Put DN in a Deep HU match vs. Tom Dwan and get it all on film. He has no shot at beating Durrrr. Its laughable to even propose it.

Guy Laliberte is the worst there has been on HSP.

I dunno if that guy is levelling or what. DN has made terrible plays against Dwan most of the time, wining the minimum and losing the maximum, as he has always done against anybody on HSP.

Whoa ... slow up there hombre!

I'm not claiming DN is the worst player in HSP, not even close! DN has been unlucky (although not as unlucky as he and Gabe pretend), so he looks like a losing player on that show, but he's far from the worst player IMO.

I do think he suffers from the same problem that (seemingly) a lot of 2+2ers do, and this is, he thinks he's much better than he actually is, but I think he's a long way from the worst player.

I'm just sticking up for Eli, who I think in the later seasons has been looking like one of the best. He has a great knack for making winning plays with small hands. In addition, I think he's one of the only guys there that doesn't get pushed around by Dwan, which is an even bigger thing than it might initially sound, as Eli's hand range would presumably make him one of Dwan's biggest targets.

He seems to be playing better this season. In all previous seasons, he's been a massive fishy calling station, and overplayed a lot of marginal hands.

I think Daniel would make an excellent co-host for next season - plus he needs to take a break.

there was a post somewhere calculating how much Daniel Negreanu lost in total on HSP. any ideas where it was?

It doesn't. But a bad player can run bad also.



lol @ 5 years. I'm pretty sure there's been episodes with 5 hands on the whole show. We've seen maybe 500 hands max of HSP over the years where Daniel was at the table. Have you never ran bad for 500 hands? Even if they only show 10% of hands, it's very normal to run that bad over 5k hansd.

freddie charmanara /thread

j6 for 70k

well played daniel you superfish lol