none of the 'moves' u just talked about are new. brunson talks about '4betting light' and 'squeezing' in his FIRST supersystem book -- and that was written over 30 years ago. he doesn't name the moves, but discusses in detail

Bill Perkins is now offically the worst ever player to appear on HSP, followed by Dennis Phillips and Bob Safai.

its just not possible that someone is worse than dr. amir nasseri

Perkins is, by a long shot.

Ill go out on a limb and guess that any poster in this thread that is loling the play of the hsp regulars, would easily take over the title of worst player by far,if they were on the show.

YES he is the worst pro cash player on HSP.
His winnings come mostly from tournaments which is a totally different beast, incomparable.

His attitude is: we have middle pair, let's see what develops on the turn, oh now I have good odds, I will call your all in. He plays like 10NL players.

He made some of the worst calls ever, it was clear that he lost his nerve when he flopped the nuts a few times and lost due to the board pairing and stuff. His straight against edog's quad 8's was the worst call I have ever seen.

I am pretty sure N is not able to beat 200NL online. He would be eaten alive.

didn't andrew robl once write in his blog that any 5/10NL online grinder would run circles around daniel negreanu or something like that ? i know andrew robl is not the most liked person on 2p2 and he's obviously exaggerating a little, but DN loses like every time on televised cashgames. not only the fact that he loses, but how he loses, tilting and calling with super marginal hands and stuff.

its almost as if he never plays except for the tv games. he says, "make it 50k smooth", as if that's supposed to mean something. he sounds like a dolt

I think it is time to stop bashing recreational players. They have money and like to gamble, so what? They probably haven't read any poker book, don't study the game, don't know anything about odds and planning hands. It is kind of silly bashing recreational players when they just want to have fun.
Assume there is a fund-raiser with soccer stars and some famous people. Would you guys bash the amateurs if they gave a bad pass or if they were running offside?


Bashing professional players who make clear mistakes (ex. Lederer not going all in against Dwan with AK, Bob folding KK on fl, Negreanu's all-in calls on river, Laak betting 50k Pre with AA, and so on), is allowed :-)

Jamie gold bitches

+1 Bill Perkins, AINEC. That man is truly the epitome of suck. Fun to watch him spray chips around though.

lol @ DN wouldn't beat 10NL. You guys are hilarious sometimes.

I think he just didn't play well and has improved. Don't like him, too creepy.

i dont think it is possible at all to estimate an overall best worst/player of all seasons of hsp.

1. all players get in different spots (absolute hand-strength, position, opponent/s)

-this obv shouldnt change someones play but it does, also with pros)

2. to make this an exact statement u would have to determine how much a pro has to win/lose in a certain situation (obv u can take the by far best player to determine this, say take iveys stats and use them as norm)

3. everyone plays way better if they are winning. i would like to see everyone put through the negreanu hsp swing. this has to be - if u are a tournament pro and play little cashgame but this one game where the blinds are 300/600 and then get colddecked like that - extremely frustrating. + it is live, the action is very slow and u get dealt a lot of playable hands in and oop. u would like to play smaller pots, when u flop the nuts, try to get as much in as u can, only to get outdrawn on the river.

cliffs:



- poker is a game of infinite random spots and incomplete information
- in the game of poker there is close to no situation exactly the same (stack sizes, opponents, cards, reads)
- want to see run some pros as bad as DN did and see what happens (curiosity)


i want to see every professional put trough the same 10.000 hands (for every game) vs the same pokerbots that would take the same desicions against every player possibly at the same time...

...actually this could be possible!

maby DN sucked a little at hsp but u op suck way worse on a whole new level

I know this was posted quite a while back, but honestly, math players don't do all that well in cash games. At least the ones I've encountered.

+1

Well said

What makes a person bump a 4 year old thread? Like how did you even find it? Odd.

I never understood this math player crap it makes it sound like a math genious could come and rape a poker table because poker is so beatable with math. Poker math at the table is very simple its the off table calculations with programs that isn't.

shut up

Daniel was one more entertaining to watch , he was very unlucky

I think you mean to say it was quite entertaining watching daniel get unlucky

Considering that he is still playing high stakes now (at least in tourney form that we know of) and without any cheating or financial scandal surrounding him, he should probably be considered one of the best and not "worst."

Take a look at those line-ups now a few years later and there are very few of them that you would leave alone in your car if you had loose change in your cup holder.

First dnegs doesnt need to play poker for a living now and didnt need to then, he makes more than enough off being pokerstars poster boy.

He was also never good as a cash player, he wasnt good then and would get crushed even harder by the top cash pros now.

But as an mtt he has always been a very good player. No one denies his talent and skill there, but however even there i think he isnt comparable to the top pros anymore. I think his game hasnt improved that much in the recent years where the new top players have been working harder and improving tons.

I dont think daniel is a bad guy but he also has done some unclassy things, many times he raises with AA or AK calling it a misclick. He has done this more than once. Also the way him and tony g treated robl was pretty unpleasant to watch, even with robl not being the most likeable of players.

And im not sure daniel relates to the average poker players anymore, he is too much of a celebrity and has made too much off endorsements that he is now on his own level in his own world and doesnt relate, understand or represent the average and mass majority of players

And there is this:

I wonder where can I buy full version of High stakes poker?