shouldn't be too much longer

He could have came out more polite dats true but he was pretty much spot on in everything he said LOL.

I kevmode believe frankenburger made an excellent play, and that he is never getting called by a worse hand.

Just saw the QQ hand. If you play like that on TV, you deserve anything you get.

how can someone who doesnt even know what the minimum required amount is to raise win huge comps?

i thought he was the buisness man drafted in for some value?

great comentary from luke! exactly what most people were thinking

because the min raise size is different between europe and the US?

bet 500, person raises to 1000 total

min reraise in many US places is 1500
min reraise in many europe places is 2000

makes little difference imo...

what moran clicks it back from the BB with A7ss there

wat ?

I read up on Andy Frankenberger's bio and apparently prior to his first WPT win all he'd ever really played was a home game every couple months and some small tourneys. He also pointedly mentioned he literally never played online since he thought it was too isolating, which all implies he's basically had zero poker training his whole life (at least that would explain his post on here where he just kind of ends up rambling about nothing).

Taking that into account with his very aggressive, if unorthodox style of play I'd say it's at least possible that he could have a lot of natural poker talent but is marred by a complete utter lack of fundamentals that lead him to do ridiculous, flat out incorrect stuff from time to time. Still pretty sure though that he's just a fish that happens to play a style that can trick/confuse good players from time to time, but hey he could probably brick everything for the next decade and still be up lifetime so good for him.

The only justification for not giving AF the rubdown is the d.t.t.t. one?

His post defending the way he played the hand was defensive or laughable, depending on your view.

I find it comical when some people think that you aren't entitled to criticize the play of others simply because you havent experienced their "success". The fact of the matter is that Frankenberger without a doubt plays with a fundamentally flawed mindset. He is one of several live tourney fish Ive seen who play in a fundamentally incorrect manner, would get crushed in any cash game, but have run very good in a few tournies where they were able to bink stuff. It is frustrating to grinders when ppl like this can run super good for a short stretch and be considered great, but that's poker for you. Both of the hands discussed in this thread are awful and his rational for the A7 is flawed on several levels. But hey he seems like a nice guy and did spend the time to actually post in this thread so no ill will or anything toward him.

Players such as phil ivey and recently phil laak have made worse folds(had winning hand after river and mucked it). There is no denying phil laak is a solid player and phil ivey is a top 5 player in the world.

Frankenberger will continue to make mistakes(or so deemed by haters on 2+2) because his play is televised. If yours is not, its stupid to say he is a horrible poker player.

IMO

this.

tilts me to no end when you're critiquing one of frankenberger's many horrible plays and some NVGtard is like 'LOL YE BUT WEN DID U WINS TEH BRACELET HURRRRR YOUS JUST A HATER'.

Doesn't tilt me.

He made a bad play. He got defensive about it. He gets criticised.

Let's all move along, there's nothing to see.

unless you're leveling mucking the winning hand isn't a fold it's just like a mental lapse. it's like saying tiger woods is a bad golfer because he's missed a few easy putts.

frankenburger made numerous plays that were just absolutely ******ed made 2 plays in the QQ hand that were just beyond dumb (potting w/o realizing how much was in there and then folding to the shove getting 5.5:1) and then defended himself. when phil ivey ****s up he knows it. you could say a golfer sucked if he kept missing easy putts then defended his play claiming he knew he would miss and just wanted to set up an easier putt next swing. or if he hit into the bunkers intentionally. lucky golfers still win tournies.

How can you say frankenberger is bad. He final tabled 2 wpt's and won a bracelet in a year and made it to the top 8 in the 3k this year at wsop. His results are enough.

Yea, his results are impressive, but that doesnt make him a great player. I guess you're one of those people who seriously consider getting coached by Jamie Gold.

AF kinda reminds me of Mike Baxter - he also plays just normal solid game, but makes a huge spew or totally misplays a hand once in a while.

You are the worst at poker. I played with you in a 5/10 300 min 2k max game and you buy in for the min and came in talking **** and said some smartass remarks. A couple players told you off and shut you up.

Frakenberger>Gold

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh....php?t=1204409

Jamie Gold

Never play JJ against Jamie Gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olifg...e_gdata_player

results oriented much ?


and lol at using donkament winnings to determine whether he's a winning player.

How much has he spent in buy-ins to get those donkament scores ? What about all the donkaments he didn't cash in?

I just saw that QQ hand, omg, even basic math fundamentals you have to call?

I read that point-wise it made sense for him to chip dump to Timoshenko.. I guess it has to be true, because noone who calls himself a "professional poker player" would ever 5bet/fold with queens for like 3/4 of his stack.

tilting on so many levels

"That's what you get for calling with Jacks"

Is it true Jamie Gold went broke?