except that it was actually the best possible stage in the tournament for a power play

NVGtards gonna nvgtard though, i guess.

no he didn't say yeah probably he said yeah unfortunately lol

haha have to love this kid such guts hard to not love him even he kind of made a stupid move.

Right move, wrong time.

gg wp

Can't believe I missed this post, since it says everything I said in a later post, but just, well, better.

I like how Cheong gets more attention than the champion, but I also agree he is a better player and I'd like to see more of him, preferably in a cash game as well, like the PAD ones or HSP

AK vs AA against candio was unlucky and impossible to avoid.

Watching the November 9 of the last few years, I am disheartened to see how many show up to the final table, fate having had a chance to 'sleep over it' for a few months and be totally prepared, yet they fully don't appreciate the fact that in all likelihood, they will NEVER get back to this final table, yet make very critical erros at crucial times. For example Mizrachi having had the chip lead and finishing how he did..or def Cheong having nearly half the chips in play and crashing and burning so spectacularly ...

The affect this amount of money has on people make even Ivey play a bit funny.

The bubble factor is way overrated in this case. The added value of being ME champ is likely to double (or more) what the 1st prize money is, so it becomes virtually a winner-take-all at that point. Now if Duhamel is worried about going out 3rd, then it's all the more reason to take a shot.

i agree

You better believe when Duhamel saw his QQ, he was going to get it all in. Slow raise the aggressor. He knew Joseph had been bluffing most of the night, (raise, raise, raise), but Duhamel was just waiting. He knew he'd get him. Like the kid a lot. Played great.

Racener would have played the same way if he would have gotten the cards. Very COLD DECK for him, even in heads-up. Too bad Racener didn't have about $60M more chips. Would have been a hell of a match.

Either that....or they just play however they believe is going to yield the most profit and 'crash and burn' because variance is a bitch. You can't just expect them to nit it up and ride the payjumps, sometimes big moves need to be made, and if they don't work out it looks like a blowup but it could have been the most profitable play.

For Cheong, he qualified through a FTP tourney, and they apparently add 10 MILLION to first place if you win after qualifying through them. Everyone else is saying that first place could already be double what the payout is, so it's possible first place is worth $22mil or more to Cheong.

Waiting to get into second and play HU is probably not the correct strategy, and especially when they are 3handed it might be best to apply as much pressure as possible. He thought he had a read, he went with it, that doesn't mean he just donked out of control because he failed to realise the scope of the situation.

You'd probably see play like this at a lot of final tables online, and that's without the HUGE pay jump from 2nd to first which obviously generates more action.

If Duhamel folded (he can def have foldable hands there sometimes) everyone would be lining up to praise Cheong for playing so well and fearlessly despite being in such a sick situation. Instead he lost, and as always 2p2 gets results oriented and says he made a stupid move.

We'll see plenty of Joseph Cheong, he was by far the best player at the table. He'll be remembered for a very long time for being so crazy. Now, he'll always get paid off, well done Cheong.

Is he from San Diego or La Mirada?

That's precisely it though. They have months to think about every single possibilty. It's easier said than done. I mean no matter what happens, only 1 guy is winning it. Because each has had so much time to think about it, they all over-analyize every hand and each player's tendacy instead of just playing their game. Honestly, it's a surprise that more mistakes aren't made.

Of course Cheong is a very good aggro type player.

And Duhamel humiliated him by reading him, and waiting, and pounding him in both the A7 hand and the Jh5h hand. This business about Cheong not wanting to win the tournament is testimony to the prevalence of hallucinogens in the poker community.

Good for you; I thought he was an idiot. How could he not stop to ask himself if Duhamel would be willing to play a big pot against him without a huge hand, with Racener sitting there way behind both of them? Did he think that just because he was willing to jump into a river, Duhamel would jump with him?

This was the biggest blowup in WSOP history, for my money, and no matter how well he played previously, this is the hand he will always be remembered for.

Merry Christmas, and Happy Birthday to John Racener!

Cheong is a monster. I hate playing against guys like him. He was by far the best player at the table.

I think it was a sick play by Cheong.

How long did Dunhamel take to call? Did he time-bank or snap? I think that would indicate if his 5b was planned to induce or just 'cos I have QQ'.

I'm not sure how much I like his call of the shove with QQ tbh.

The below assumes that Cheong is bluffing with 16 of the 44 combos he's 6b shoving with (he'd likely only 6b bluff shove with Ax as he has a blocker), so if he's bluffing 36% of the time then Dunhamel is still an underdog with QQ to his shoving range. This bluff-frequency is unrealistic imo. I know that he was bluffing here but even so I think his true bluff-shove frequency is prob lower than 36% of shoving combos here...

equity
Hand 0: 53.731% { AA, KK, AK, A7 }
Hand 1: 46.269% { QcQd }

If he's bluffing over half the time (with A7 and A8), so 32 of his 60 6b shove combos then Duhamel 'only' has 56%.
equity
Hand 0: 43.674% { KK+, AKs, A8s-A7s, AKo, A8o-A7o }
Hand 1: 56.326% { QcQd }

Given ICM considerations / Racener's stack-size i think it's a fold with QQ here as just no one is sick enough to be bluffing this much in this spot.....except Joseph Cheong.

I'd be really interested to hear some top MTT players give their thoughts on what they think a calling range should be in this spot given all considerations.

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lololol

Hey would be interested to hear your thoughts.

What am I missing? Are my assumptions or calcs wrong? Do you expect him to be bluffing over half the time in this spot? What would your calling range be in this spot?

Cheongs range is much wider. Any Ax for one.
Possibly even jacks or tens as well if he decided to 4 bet those hands and then interpreted Duhamels small 5 bet as a bluff (which is the only reason he shoved A7 in the first place).

It doesn't matter how long Duhamel took.
5 betting queens to then fold to a 6 bet is the sort of ******ed thing only Hellmuth would do.

It's just sloppy/ambiguous grammar. I fixed it (though it was fairly obvious this is what he meant. You get called by a worse hand.)

The edited version sucks compared to the live feed from ESPN3. You usually can't tell if the call is a snap call or a tank-call. The only benefit is the hole cards (and perhaps Norman Chad's facepalm-inducing jokes).


Yea, I think Mizrachi should not have shoved with his 33 with that field.

Even though I was rooting for Duhamel as my countryman and just a classy guy all-around, I was also hoping Mizrachi's Cinderalla story would come true for the triple-crown in one year. Won't see that again.