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Johnny Chan bluffing in a cash game. Johnny Chan bluffing in a cash game.

08-05-2014 , 10:10 AM
Does anyone have any footage of Johnny Chan out there on a stone cold bluff in a televised cash game?

Bluffing in a tournament or semi-bluffing the turn or c-bet bluffing the flop don't count.
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08-05-2014 , 09:32 PM
How many cash games did Johnny Chan play on tv? Can only recall HSP 1 & 7.
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08-05-2014 , 10:38 PM
doesnt seem like the type to bluff much. i remember on high stakes poker he didnt C-bet with AA on a J-J-x board in position against 2 players. then he checked the turn and folded to a river bet. he was right thinking that someone had a J but that seemed really nitty to me.
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08-05-2014 , 11:01 PM
No footage & it was a tournament but not a continuation bet or semi-bluff.

I was sitting about 3 feet behind Chan when he made this play in 2001 at the final table of the $3,000 NL WSOP event at Binions while heads up against Eric Seidel:

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That slight chip lead became important three hands later, when Seidel made it $40,000 to go from the SBB, and Chan called. The flop came Jd-5c-Kh, Chan checked, Seidel bet $35,000, and Chan raised $100,000, with Seidel calling.

The two of hearts hit the turn, and for what was the at least the tenth time today, Johnny Chan moved all-in.

This time, Erik Seidel called.

Chan shook his head and turned over Qc-7c, a complete bluff. Seidel turned over Kd-2d, for two pair. It was over. Erik Seidel was the champion. Chan had no outs, no card that could save him. The 9c on the river was irrelevant.
http://www.makeitfo.com/?p=60

Good article but I don't remember any crowds, most of the time it was a couple of spectators in the rickety bleachers and myself and Andy Glazer sitting directly behind Chan
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08-06-2014 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
doesnt seem like the type to bluff much. i remember on high stakes poker he didnt C-bet with AA on a J-J-x board in position against 2 players. then he checked the turn and folded to a river bet. he was right thinking that someone had a J but that seemed really nitty to me.
I remember what hand you're talking about. It was against Huck Seed and Joe Hachem, Huck Seed flopped sixes full on the JJ6 board.

What happened in that hand is Johnny Chan picked up on a tell on Huck, and he made a monster laydown based solely off a live read. If you watch the video of the hand, I'll find it later, it's actually pretty obvious what Johnny picked up on but it's insanely disciplined of him to just check through and then fold with no question. I was actually really impressed by that hand, it wasn't "nitty" play at all. Huck gave his hand away and couldn't get a single dollar out of Johnny after he'd done it.

Anyway, I ask because someone told me that Johnny Chan never bluffs in cash games and he's been life-time profitable just off making sick lay downs and extracting value when he's got the best hand. And I thought it was really weird to hear at first, but now that I think of it, I can't think of a hand I've ever seen him in where he was straight up bluffing.

I specifically excluded tournament play bc obviously you're never going to make it to a final table without bluffing in tournament play, even if you happen to be bluffing with the best hand every time you do.
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08-06-2014 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
doesnt seem like the type to bluff much. i remember on high stakes poker he didnt C-bet with AA on a J-J-x board in position against 2 players. then he checked the turn and folded to a river bet. he was right thinking that someone had a J but that seemed really nitty to me.
To a fish who doesn't know what a read or tell is it may seem nitty...

Here's another hand where he snap-called a huge all-in on the flop with AA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byo1BudR2DQ
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08-06-2014 , 05:42 AM
08-06-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
doesnt seem like the type to bluff much. i remember on high stakes poker he didnt C-bet with AA on a J-J-x board in position against 2 players. then he checked the turn and folded to a river bet. he was right thinking that someone had a J but that seemed really nitty to me.
Actually, you are thinking of this hand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzm_krm_njc
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08-06-2014 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
doesnt seem like the type to bluff much. i remember on high stakes poker he didnt C-bet with AA on a J-J-x board in position against 2 players. then he checked the turn and folded to a river bet. he was right thinking that someone had a J but that seemed really nitty to me.
Yeah, what a nitty loser. He instinctively knew he was behind and did not put any more money in the pot. Definitely not a big-hitter like you.
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08-07-2014 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw
Actually, you are thinking of this hand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzm_krm_njc
yea thats the one.

if we asked all the top cash game pros (ivey, dwan, antonious, etc) i would bet that all of them would say that C-betting with AA on any board would be 100% standard (unless you flop a set). it looked like he was nitty or scared. If he played like that online he would get run over.
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08-07-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
yea thats the one.

if we asked all the top cash game pros (ivey, dwan, antonious, etc) i would bet that all of them would say that C-betting with AA on any board would be 100% standard (unless you flop a set). it looked like he was nitty or scared. If he played like that online he would get run over.
He had a live read on Huck. It's that simple.

It's not scared money. Chan knew his hand was no good and wasn't going to lose a dollar more after Huck gave his hand away.

If you or the vast majority of online players played Johnny Chan live you would lose your house.
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08-08-2014 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_the_game
yea thats the one.

if we asked all the top cash game pros (ivey, dwan, antonious, etc) i would bet that all of them would say that C-betting with AA on any board would be 100% standard (unless you flop a set). it looked like he was nitty or scared. If he played like that online he would get run over.
That's the problem with a noob online player like you.

You think all decisions should be made based on lines and bet sizes in a vacuum. I have XX he checked therefore the right play is Y.
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