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07-19-2011 , 02:45 AM
Sorry to anyone whose messages I can't respond directly to right now. In the last week, I've received enough hate mail sent directly to me, messages that had little to do with poker, that it's a challenge to sort through it all. That's not something anyone should have to do.

I'm proud of my journey to the Big Game and the amazing things I tried to do with the opportunity. It was one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.

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07-19-2011 , 02:54 AM
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I disagree that you played well but good luck Jared
^ pretty much this for me, I hope you accomplish your goals you have set and learn from the experience
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07-19-2011 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 999
I think you had a fundamental misunderstanding of the format. Your goal isn't to make no mistakes, it isn't even to play vacuum +EV poker; it's to put yourself in a position to win whenever possible due to the time constraint.
very well said
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07-19-2011 , 10:16 AM
hey sending hate mail is done by sad,little,ignorant,cowardly,impotent people so don't worry about that{and you don't deserve it}.

but your sense of reality does worry me how can you say that you played a good game!!!!.

you had free money to play with,you had the wrong game going into the game,you didn't change your game,you didn't had the nerve to bluff,you had so many tells that you better had a TV screen on your head,you wasted all the time you did researching,and i probably forgot a few.

sorry man it's nothing personal but you can't say that you played well given the format of the big game,and the fact you played pros{ i am saying,that they don't pay you off when you played a 100 hands very tight,and then loosen up,or they bluff out off every pot}no you game "may?" work in a live cash game where you can re buy and make a little money playing for hours{or hoping to get lucky in 1 big pot}.

like i said it is not personal but if you think you played good poker in the big game then i got to question your sense of reality,sorry but that is how i think about it.

and good luck with getting your live back on the road and your charity's
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07-19-2011 , 02:10 PM
so TV forum is the new NVG?
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07-19-2011 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 999
I think you had a fundamental misunderstanding of the format. Your goal isn't to make no mistakes, it isn't even to play vacuum +EV poker; it's to put yourself in a position to win whenever possible due to the time constraint.

To put it simply, if someone offers you a flip as a 40% dog you would/should snap call. You played the absolute worst style of poker possible as a LC - nitty, passive and low variance. Also, running it twice with 20 hands to go was a pretty big mistake and symptomatic of how you didn't understand the format at all.

By day 3, you could not show a profit without a gigantic cooler. Nobody was paying you off with less than a decent 2 pair hand. I honestly doubt you could ever double up without the nuts. You mention not capitalising on your image as if it's an extra thing you could've done. The truth is that understanding your image and what you represent to your opponents is something most winning micro stakes players understand and use to some effect.

I'm not sure whether your preparation was just very inefficient, you completely froze under the mental pressure or you didn't really spend 4 months working solidly on getting good at poker. Whatever it was, you played poorly given the format irrespective of the cards that were dealt and no amount of cotton candy rhetoric can disguise that fact.

Also, going to a casino and reading Caro's Book of Tells when going up against seasoned live pros seems naive and woefully misguided to me
As far as why you did not play well I don't think I could have worded it better than 999 has here. He just lays it out clearly, intelligently, and accurately as to why you played the opposite of optimal strategy, there is really no reason to read anyone else's "strat" posts of what they think you did wrong, its all in the post above. Regardless, I think you're story as a whole is still extremely amazing and I'm happy for you and how far you have come from your low points in your life. You seem like a genuinely good person and I still think that all the money 2p2 members sent you over the past year has been put to good use. I'm glad that through all of this you have the desire to help others in relatively similar situations as you were in and I think your "pay it forward" attitude is great. I can do nothing but wish you the best of luck in life and your future endeavors.


-DoubleR90
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07-19-2011 , 04:34 PM
I think he read caro's book of tells to try and NOT give off tells, not to pick up tells on the pros....

but I'm just guessing.
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07-19-2011 , 04:38 PM
Jared,

Stay strong brother. I can't believe people would actually send hate messages. It's pretty rare that we perform perfectly in our big moment, that's why it's so special when we see an athlete or someone that does it time and time again. Don't sweat the heat ITT.

You had an awesome experience, and I think we all learned something. Hope we cross paths again someday.
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07-19-2011 , 07:43 PM
I've only lightly followed this saga, and don't want to slog through 100's of pages, so sorry if this has been answered previously.

Jared,
What are your future plans? How do you plan to support yourself? Live your life after your 15 minutes? Odds you end up homeless again?
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07-19-2011 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
I'm proud of my journey to the Big Game and the amazing things I tried to do with the opportunity. It was one of the greatest accomplishments of my life.
you didnt accomplish anything, you nitboxed off 100k of play money
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07-19-2011 , 08:58 PM
Best of luck with whatever you choose to do in the future you seem like a good guy but i honestly don't believe you put as much effort into studying poker,format as you say u did as everything came across as a little one dimensional but whatever gg
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07-19-2011 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleR90
As far as why you did not play well I don't think I could have worded it better than 999 has here. He just lays it out clearly, intelligently, and accurately as to why you played the opposite of optimal strategy, there is really no reason to read anyone else's "strat" posts of what they think you did wrong, its all in the post above. Regardless, I think you're story as a whole is still extremely amazing and I'm happy for you and how far you have come from your low points in your life. You seem like a genuinely good person and I still think that all the money 2p2 members sent you over the past year has been put to good use. I'm glad that through all of this you have the desire to help others in relatively similar situations as you were in and I think your "pay it forward" attitude is great. I can do nothing but wish you the best of luck in life and your future endeavors.


-DoubleR90
+1 to all of this.

Jared, all the best to you. I hope you know to disregard some of the rather mean comments that people make on these forums. Its true that you should have taken more chances due to the format but what ever, you did your best. Im glad to hear you had a great experience.
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07-19-2011 , 11:55 PM
Jared,

You should have taken Antonio's watch when he offered it to you that was your biggest leak of the night.
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07-20-2011 , 09:55 AM
Just finished watching all 5 episodes of your week at The Big Game. What a tough draw of opponents; Greenstein, Selbst, Esfandiari... What an experience it must have been to have sat at that table in that environment. It is a shame that things didn't turn out more in your favour, but that's life.

I hope you have the courage to honestly assess what pieces of advice you can learn from regarding your play. None of us are perfect, we all have leaks. I'm certainly not here to criticize. I wasn't the one staring down the barrel at poker pro's with more money in front of me than I've ever fathomed with cameras recording my every move.

I have to say it really sucks that some people seem to be enjoying rubbing salt in your wounds. At least they're not too fresh (the session being completed months ago), but it's still pretty low. I hope you're not letting the haters get to you, remember that this is the internet and it's very easy for those kind of people to dish out venom from the safety and comfort of behind their screens, but at the end of the day YOU were the one in that seat, YOU were the one with all the pressure of wanting to not lose that money so that you could raise funds for charity. Unfortunately, perhaps that self-imposed pressure blinded you to what the constructive and intelligent posters (and some of the trolls) have said: that your approach needed to be a little different in order to succeed in that format. In that regard, I have to agree. But whatever. I'm glad you enjoyed the experience and have maintained a positive outlook. This journey is far from over.

All the best man.
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07-20-2011 , 01:36 PM
jared were you also inhale slow on bodog?
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07-20-2011 , 03:18 PM
Congratulations on your experience and best of luck in the future.
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07-20-2011 , 08:57 PM
This offer still stands: If anyone posts a specific hand history and wants to discuss it, I'll be more than happy to share my thought process, or to respond to yours, if you take the time, to write it out the entire hand, which only takes about 30 seconds.

If you have some worthwhile comments about my play, I'm interested to hear them, please provide at least one hand history. To discuss poker strategy, hands serve as examples.

I already gave my reasoning in the OP why folding A10 suited out of position against two aggressive players facing a 3 bet is the correct play.

Q10 OESD in episode 1 is a good raise without the flush draw. The flush draw kills two of our outs to our straight if we're up against a flush draw. Also if the flush comes down it kills our action. We're almost direct odds on the flop to make the call. In my opinion on a rainbow flop, deep stacked, a raise there is great.

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07-20-2011 , 09:11 PM
Like I said before, I made some mistakes, and things could have went a lot better. I misplayed 99, failed to value bet K10 top pair on K7272 river, limped a couple hands. Missed some bluffs. If you feel there are a lot more mistakes, ship the hand histories.

I've gotten messages calling me every name in the book. Those messages have nothing to do with me, and everything to do with the people sending them. Likewise some of the posters in this thread, don't seem all that interested in discussing poker strategy.

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it was a bore to watch you play,
I went on the show to play poker, I'm not a professional entertainer. There are a lot of other people on the show responsible for the entertainment as well.

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i think you best stay away from live cashgames with a game like that
Losing to top pros and playing vs the average joe at the casino is something totally different.

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going to a casino and reading Caro's Book of Tells when going up against seasoned live pros seems naive and woefully misguided to me
It's to not give off tells. It's also a good long term investment.

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you didnt accomplish anything, you nitboxed off 100k of play money
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you completely pissed away any opportunity to make a serious score
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waste of 2+2's time and energy to sponsor a nit
If we knew every player in the Big Game's winrate, we could calculate the cash value of being a lose cannon on the show.

If you feel I made some mistakes, that's saying I lessened the cash value of being on the show. To say that I "completely wasted the opportunity" is a pretty big stretch of the imagination.

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Jared you played absolutely horrible. You played weak tight in a format where if you want to be successful, you HAVE TO PLAY tight aggressive. Your comment that the pros made the only mistakes is LOOOOOOL.Join Date: Jul 2011
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What's Lol is taking the time to create a gimmick account to send me a message.

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07-20-2011 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
What's Lol is taking the time to create a gimmick account to send me a message.
Obv what I said to you originally is 100% true and your only response is that I created my account recently.

Ok buddy.

GG.
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07-20-2011 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision

Q10 OESD in episode 1 is a good raise without the flush draw. The flush draw kills two of our outs to our straight if we're up against a flush draw. Also if the flush comes down it kills our action. We're almost direct odds on the flop to make the call. In my opinion on a rainbow flop, deep stacked, a raise there is great.
its a perfect spot to raise and rep any flush that hits while having a disguised straight if you hit, just because theres a flush draw on the board doesn't mean someone actually has it..
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07-20-2011 , 11:13 PM
Would you agree a non flush flop would be better spot for a raise? So you like a raise to 15k there better than calling 4k? And yes I did make mistakes, I never said that I didn't.

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07-20-2011 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
Now that you can't grind online, how has your life changed after the poker stuff ? I'm assuming you don't yet have a roll for grinding 1/2 live . Are you on your way to being financially stable ? Have a job in place, apartment etc ? Recieved any live staking deals to play on the side for extra income ?

GL in your future endeavors.
bump
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07-21-2011 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
This offer still stands: If anyone posts a specific hand history and wants to discuss it, I'll be more than happy to share my thought process, or to respond to yours, if you take the time, to write it out the entire hand, which only takes about 30 seconds.
To be honest, you played so bad consistently, and seems so delusional in your self evaluation that I don't think people here are really interested to hear your analysis of why you did what you did in any specific hand.

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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
Q10 OESD in episode 1 is a good raise without the flush draw. The flush draw kills two of our outs to our straight if we're up against a flush draw. Also if the flush comes down it kills our action. We're almost direct odds on the flop to make the call. In my opinion on a rainbow flop, deep stacked, a raise there is great.
You still don't seem to understand that any money you lose is play money, but any money you win is real money. You were basically freerolling with your draw.
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07-21-2011 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RelaxedPrecision
Like I said before, I made some mistakes, and things could have went a lot better. I misplayed 99, failed to value bet K10 top pair on K7272 river, limped a couple hands. Missed some bluffs. If you feel there are a lot more mistakes, ship the hand histories.

I've gotten messages calling me every name in the book. Those messages have nothing to do with me, and everything to do with the people sending them. Likewise some of the posters in this thread, don't seem all that interested in discussing poker strategy.



I went on the show to play poker, I'm not a professional entertainer. There are a lot of other people on the show responsible for the entertainment as well.



Losing to top pros and playing vs the average joe at the casino is something totally different.



It's to not give off tells. It's also a good long term investment.





If we knew every player in the Big Game's winrate, we could calculate the cash value of being a lose cannon on the show.

If you feel I made some mistakes, that's saying I lessened the cash value of being on the show. To say that I "completely wasted the opportunity" is a pretty big stretch of the imagination.



What's Lol is taking the time to create a gimmick account to send me a message.
You freely admit you baaaadly misplayed the 99 hand, k10 hand and missed maaaany chances to bluff and limped wayyyy too often. Correct? You only played about 120 hands, that's quite a few mistakes considering the majority of hands are no brainers like 8-2 ish stuff or the qq or kk hands you had.

Let me ask you something Jared. Serious question, have you seen even one 2+2-er say they thought you played well? Not perfect mind you, but has anyone even said you played decent?? Your stance is you played well, 2p2's stance is that you played very poorly. Are you in denial enough to think everyone's just being a hater? You think we're all being results oriented? Show me the egregious amounts of hate for Jensen or Davis from last season since they lost as well...
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07-21-2011 , 02:50 AM
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Would you agree a non flush flop would be better spot for a raise? So you like a raise to 15k there better than calling 4k? And yes I did make mistakes, I never said that I didn't.
Of course a non flush flop would be better for a raise because your equity will be better and people will be less likely to put you on a draw but that's beside the point. The Big Games format is such that you aren't looking for the BEST spots, its a crap shoot and you are freerolling with playmoney till you make a profit, so regardless of whether its better to raise on a non flush draw flop you should be raising because of the format
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