More meaningful if you do pad top guns week 1 and 2. I think it's about 200 hands? And 6max better.

I might start to do it if no one is. Or railbird heaven or hellmuth bash. Would be funny to see how tiny Hellmuth's vpip was.

Season 1 Episode 2

Hand 1: Forrest limps K6hh, DN limps 77 on the button, Harman checks BB (A4o)
A43, DN bets 1600, Harman raises to 6600, Forrest calls, DN folds
Ks, Harman bets 11,000, Forrest calls
8s, check check

Negreanu -2300
Greenstein - 100
Brunson -400
Harman - +21,400
Forrest - 18,300
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 100


Hand 2: Greenstein (T9ss) raises to 2k, Brunson calls (88), Nasseri calls from BB (QJo)
3s6s5c Nasseri bet 6k, Greenstein calls, Brunson folds
8c, Nasseri bets 11k, Greenstein raises to 60k, Nasseri folds

Negreanu - 100
Greenstein +22,000
Brunson - 2100
Harman - -100
Forrest - 100
Alaei - -400
Nasseri - 19,100
Buss - 100

Hand 3

Harman (75hh) limps, Forrest (JJ) raises to $2500, Negreanu button calls (A2ss), Harman calls
3dQs5s...Harman check, Forrest bets 5k, Negreanu raises to 10k, Harman folds, Forrest calls
Ad....Forrest bets 15k, DN raises to 50k, Forrest folds.

Negreanu + 26,100
Greenstein - 400
Brunson - 700
Harman - 2600
Forrest - 22,100
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 100


Hand 4

Alaei QQ raises to 2200, Nasseri calls (87), Buss calls (AQ), Brunson button calls (44), Harman calls (KJo), Forrest calls (65dd)
2d6s6h....checked to Brunson who bets 11k, Forrest calls, Alaei calls
2s Forrest all in 3k, Alaei calls, Brunson folds.


Negreanu - 100
Greenstein - 100
Brunson - 13,300
Harman - 2300
Forrest + 36,600
Alaei - 16,200
Nasseri - 2300
Buss - 2300


Hand 5: Forrest calls (53hh), Nasseri (J6cc) calls, Greenstein raises to $3600, Forrest calls, Nasseri calls.
QcKc8h BG bets 6500, Forrest raises to $21,500, Nasseri folds, Greenstein folds

Negreanu - 400
Greenstein - 10,200
Brunson - 100
Harman - 100
Forrest + 14,700
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 3700
Buss - 100

Hand 6:

Brunson (A5o) raises to $2500, Forrest button calls (66)
Qh9d7d check check
3s Brunson bets 6k, Forrest calls
6d, Brunson bets 22k, Forrest calls


Negreanu - 100
Greenstein - 100
Brunson - 28,600
Harman - 100
Forrest + 30,100
Alaei - 400
Nasseri - 700
Buss - 100

Hand 7:

Nasseri (AJdd) raises to $3000, Brunson SB calls $2400
As5c2c Brunson bets 6500, Nasseri calls
9c....check check
10s...Brunson bets 40k, Nasseri folds

Uh, great play Doyle.....

Negreanu - 100
Greenstein -100
Brunson + 10,200
Harman - 700
Forrest - 100
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 9000
Buss - 100


Hand 8

Nasseri calls, Brunson button calls (both have Kqo), Harman completes (97), Forrest checks (A2o)
7sTc3c, checks through
2h Harman bets 2k, Forrest raises to 8k, fold, fold, Harman calls
Ad,


Negreanu - 100
Greenstein - 100
Brunson - 700
Harman - 8700
Forrest + 10,500
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 700
Buss - 100

Hand 9

Forrest raises to $3500 with KK, Buss SB (TT) calls, Negreanu BB calls (KJo)
6d7d7h Buss bets 6k, DN folds, Forrest calls
Qs, Buss checks, Forrest bets 10k, Forrest calls
9c, Buss checks, TF bets 10k, Buss calls.

Negreanu - 3600
Greenstein - 100
Brunson - 100
Harman - 100
Forrest + 33,700
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 29,600


Hand 10: Brunson limps QTdd, Harman limps 75dd, Buss Button calls J9o, DN completes K5o, Grenstein checks A2o
Th5c4h DN bets 1600, Brunson calls
3s DN bets 4k, Brunson calls
4c DN checks, Brunson bets 7k, DN folds

Negreanu - 6300
Greenstein - 700
Brunson + 8700
Harman - 700
Forrest - 100
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 700

Hand 10:

DN button. Forrest raises to 2k with AQhh, Alaei calls with QJcc, Negeanu raises to 12k with 63hh....takes it....and shows...

Negreanu + 5600
Greenstein - 400
Brunson - 700
Harman - 100
Forrest - 2100
Alaei - 2100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 100


Hand 11: Buss calls 53ss, DN calls A3o, BG makes it $4600 and takes it

Negreanu - 700
Greenstein +2800
Brunson - 400
Harman - 700
Forrest - 100
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 700

Hand 12:

Alaei (A5s) limps, Nasseri calls (43o), Buss calls KTo, DN calls73cc, BG makes it 5k with KQss and takes it...

Negreanu -700
Greenstein + 4000
Brunson - 100
Harman - 400
Forrest - 700
Alaei - 700
Nasseri - 700
Buss - 700

Hand 13: Forrest raises 2500$ Q3cc, Alaei button calls with 85o
6QK check by forrst, Alaei bets 4k, Forrest calls
K Forrest checks, Alaei bets 14k, Forrest calls
2 Forrest checks, Alaei checks.


Negreanu - 100
Greenstein - 100
Brunson - 100
Harman - 100
Forrest + 22,100
Alaei - 20,600
Nasseri - 400
Buss - 700

Hand 14:

Brunson (AA) makes it $2600, Alaei 86dd calls, Buss BUTTON KJss calls, Greenstein QQ makes it 15k, Brunson all in (80k more for BG), Buss folds, BG calls

Negreanu - 400
Greenstein - -95,100
Brunson + 102,300
Harman - 100
Forrest - 100
Alaei - 2700
Nasseri - 100
Buss - 2700


End of Episode 2:

Results:

Negreanu + 16,800
Greenstein - 80,300
Brunson + 74,900
Harman + 5600
Forrest + 106,000
Alaei - 43,800
Nasseri - 37,100
Buss - 38,200

Episodes 1 and 2 combined...




Negreanu +73,400
Greenstein - $107,500
Brunson + $92,400
Harman - $12,400
Forrest + $900
Alaei - $94,200
Nasseri + 82,200
Buss - $52,400

Has anyone ever seen Brunson play a tv hand well?

lol someone do episode 3....

lol look at what you've done. I'm watching ep 2 right now because of you.

hand 1: lol kaplan saying harman should bet more than the pot to price out a flush draw.

lol nice fold Doyle with 88 on 365 to minimal action.

Apparently flush draws are 1/3.

You should be databasing episode 3...

I could but I'm too lazy. Also it's almost 7am here, and I'm about to fall asleep.

Nice bluff with ace high doyle, what were you trying to rep?

oh gee way to show class calling Forrest an idiot. Very professional.

rofl Doyle flops a straight against a fish who miraculously has top pair and doubles pot on river. rofl

Sick part is that Buss nearly called... And Negreanu didn't light 3-bet then ever that I remember.

that was the good ol days.

Actually pretty interesting idea OP. If I have some time over easter, I might go ahead and start off with season 2!

Still pretty meaningless. We'll figure out who the looser players are, and who the tighter players are, but we already knew that. The actually numbers will be substantially off because they don't tend to show hands where one guy raises and everyone else folds or the bb gets a walk. Presumably they also edit out some hands where one guy raises and only gets one caller when the flop goes cb/fold.

The result is that when a lot of people fold we don't get to see that hand. Those hands drag down vpip and pfr substantially. The likely result is that loose players seem looser. Tight players probably seem looser, but assuming people are less likely to call a raise from a tight player there's probably some balancing effect caused by not seeing the hands where a tight player raised and everyone folded.

That said, it would be interesting to know how much each player won/lost in televised hands.

That would be excellent.

Yes, most likely everyone will appear a bit looser than reality, but at least since the hands not shown will mostly be very small pots, the results will probably be accurate to within 5 or 10%.

I made an error when I posted this previously...Harman won 12.4k as opposed to losing it...

Episodes 1 and 2 combined...




Negreanu +73,400
Greenstein - $107,500
Brunson + $92,400
Harman + $12,400
Forrest + $900
Alaei - $94,200
Nasseri + 82,200
Buss - $52,400

Season 1 episode 3

Hand 1: Nasseri raises to 2600 (83o) neagreanu calls 44, greenstein calls 66, Brunson calls BUTTON 75o, blinds fold.

5Qc5c, check, check, BG bets 6k, Brunson calls,
6s check, Brunson bets 15k, BG all in 44,300, Brunson calls.
Doyle's brilliant slowplay costs him big...

Negreanu - 2700
Greenstein - 59,700
Brunson - 53,000
Harman - 400
Forrest - 700
Alaei - 100
Nasseri - 2700
Buss - 100

Hand 2: Forrest limps (KTs), Buss limps BUTTON (J7s), Negreanu completes A4dd, BG checks 93ss.

T7Q all spades...check, check, forrest bets 2k, BG calls,
8d....check, Forrest bets 4k, BG raises to 15k, Forrest folds.

Negreanu - 700
Greenstein + 8500
Brunson - 100
Harman -100
Forrest - 6700
Alaei - 100
Nasseri -100
Buss - 700

7:40 into the episode, I'll leave it there for now, anyone wanna finish this episode? Bunch of new players just seated.

This would be 100x better if you started from Season 5.

It'll get there....

i stilllll just dont get why you are doing this or why its interesting

That also assumes that each player's type of raises pre-flop are similar - that say, a guy with a PFR of 20 and a guy with a PFR of 10 are each, AMONG HANDS THEY RAISE, raising 25% of the time with the goal of taking it down pre-flop, raising 25% of the time to build a pot, and raising 50% of the time to isolate down to 1 caller (note, percentages could be horribly off, just picked some random numbers).

If Player 1 has "true" PFR of 15, but of that 15, it's each 5 get people out, 5 build pot, and 5 isolate, and Player 2 has "true" PFR of 20, but 15 of that 20 is take it down pre-flop, then Player 2 is going to seem tighter because most of his raises resulted in no action pre-flop, which therefore never ended up on TV.

In other words, that's just another point as to why you can't just take all the hands shown on TV and use them to build a meaningful data set.

Now, what you COULD build off of is the WSOP final table, because did they not have an entire hand by hand commentary? Not sure how valuable it would be, or if someone has already done it, but that would show what each player's "true" VPIP/PFR was at the final table.

I think these stats are pretty useless but I started watching the first season because of this thread.

"I'ts their OWN money on the table!!"

classic

carnivore in S1E1 hand 4 you have greenstein raising to 10k and then folding, but only loses 400 in the results.

i think this is quite a good idea, would do an episode if other people are into it.

edit: and in hand 2 forrest and nasseri limp and fold, but results indicate it's brunson and nasseri?

Pretty pointless to get these stats from HSP, which gets more and more edited as the seasons go by.

PAD cash games would be more comprehensive.

If this continues the early rough copies will get edited and reposted.