If you watched the WSOP when Peter flopped a set to take out Tiffany Michelle, he insta flat called the 1Mill raise from the chip leader. Dennis Phillips says "I knew you had a set when you smooth called" proudly when the cards are turned over.

If anything, your insta over call is what had to send off alarm bells in Peter's head - and cost Doyle $2000 - as they both thought you had to have the best hand.

Sure, you could have looked at Dwan and seen he has the nervous tick of a terrets syndrome sufferer, but you never would have been in a position to make that read had you made a good laydown on the flop.

Durrrr's flop raise also froze Barry and Eastgate into checking the turn and giving Dwan a cheap ride to a backdoor flush draw!

I'll preface this by saying I have no clue what I'm talking about since I've never played this high.

Isn't it a pretty bad spot for Daniel to raise the flop on that board? His range for limp calling preflop/check calling flop seems exactly like a small-medium pair (though maybe this is too much level 1 thinking) or a flushdraw (maybe discounted a bit since OOP), and if he raises the flop it seems the only range he is getting value from is {AA, AK, maybe KQ}, which seems pretty slim to me? It also seems from the 67/A6 hand that Eastgate is playing pretty carefully (I wasn't at the table though, might be edited a lot) so if Daniel tries to induce something by raising the flop, doesn't that seem pretty marginal? Eastgate doesn't seem to be one to spaz out with QQ here 200bbs deep?

If he check calls and tries to rep a small pair, there must be at least some chance Eastgate fires the turn and/or river with a pretty big part of his range? If Eastgate has {AA, AK} here more money is going in on later streets anyway right? I guess he can raise here to avoid a flush card that would kill the action somewhat but that seems to miss a lot of value? There might also be a small chance Eastgate goes Townsend-Baldwin on Daniel if he senses (feigned) weakness?

Though this is probably why I'm still at micros

To get back on topic, there seem to be a lot of people here who are thinking that your pre flop raise size in the AA hand was too small. You made it $2500 with $1600 in antes and a BB of $800. Is this something you would agree with?

I think Dwan did get information by raising the flop

One that Eastgate wasn't nut strong but had the best hand by calling w/ such a deep stack. Eastgate isn't calling w/ 99 here.

When Barry calls i think it screams 1010/KK-AA and only those 3 hands.

When he bets the 7, and Eastgate folds Dwan knows he just won the hand cause Barry has no idea where he's at in the hand. and he must be beat. Plus Dwan does have a ten something Barry doesn't so I'm sure he was using that and the fact he called preflop to represent a huge hand.

I don't agree w/ the idea that Tom wasn't raising for info. If Eastgate comes over the top on the flop this hand is over.

I totally agree ^^^

havent read the other posts but

barrys hand may be "face-up" but i think its worth realizing that he can rep AA/KK or whatever here ridiculously easy even if he had just opened the pot with a mid pair or Ax etc. Durrr may not have raised the flop because of this but its something he may have considered. The flop is so dry that if barry doesnt have AA, its a pretty damn good idea for him to rep it.

If Barry does have something like 77-99, it would be a horrible idea for him to bet that flop into seven opponents, most of whom have position on him. If even one person so much as calls his bet there he must be beat and with that many players there has to be someone with at the very least top pair good kicker. He wouldn't want to try to represent an overpair here because then he's effectively BLUFFING INTO SEVEN PEOPLE which can't possibly be +ev EVER.

Okay, well then I guess I underestimated your qualifications for starting hands UTG if you really would play A2 suited in that spot. However, even if you DID have the A2, you probably would have reraised or at least bet out on the turn for value, knowing that a weaker deuce would pay you off and that you'd be stacking off to TT regardless of how the play went, right? So when you check the turn Dwan has to figure at that point you don't have A2.

In my opinion, Dwan raised the flop hoping to just end the hand right there if nobody had a deuce. I think he would have given up on the hand if Barry was the only caller figuring it would be impossible to push Barry off his overpair after that. However, when he got 2 callers, he reanalyzed the hand and decided he could bluff them both and take the pot because raising the flop and then bluffing into TWO strong calls shows incredible strength and credibility for a monster.

Why's that Barry? No matter what he's holding, he's drawing to 2 outs so long as you're ahead - depending on suits, KT/AT/QT is about equivalent to (an unlikely) JJ or 99. It seems sensible, if his range is air/deuce/worse_pair, to go for a check raise all in on the turn. Why shut him out in a WA/WB situation, and guarantee action only when you yourself are drawing to 2 outs (as rare as it may be)? Certainly it can't be that big of a risk for him to give up on his bluff on the turn and check/behind.

a) source?
b) even if he did go busto, why wouldn't Dwan think the same thing anyway?

a) possibly fold a bad deuce
b) possibly gain equity by making dwan fold AA
c) stops running flush/straight draws, which Dwan had one of

Yeah... silly reasons...

A flop 3bet commits Barry to the pot. Remember, he's only got ~230k on the table. Why would durr 4bet if he knows Barry's committed to the pot?

You just gotta tip your hat off to Dwan for making a great, creative play.

I mean, Greenstein was never going to stack off with two pair there in a 8-handed pot. If he would've been against a K-2 type hand and stacked off, we would've been talking about what a donk he is for not being able to lay down Aces when he was clearly beat.

Hey Barryg,

Why didn't you just have Durr tell us your thoughts on the hand?

http://www.pokerlistings.com/eastgat...h-stakes-37908

Despite the fact he later learned he was well ahead of Dwan's Q-T, Eastgate felt he made the right decision.

"I thought he maybe had ace-deuce, something like that," revealed Eastgate.

"He showed a lot of strength and I didn't like my hand after his big bet on the turn. I didn't feel too sick afterward as in the situation I think I made the correct fold. I should have perhaps bet out on the turn; that was the mistake I made."

Thank you for playing...

^^

this is why dwan is a good poker player. He uses the money as tool. he doesn't care if he loses or not because poker is a game that can be played anytime.

oh yeah... and why didn't eastgate bet the turn? eastgate seems weak tight in HSP imo. checking the turn and calling the river with trips in the first episode... hell, i would go so far to say eastgate is a fish in High stakes poker

Yeah, didn't Doyle prop bet him $1k or $2k that durrrr was wrong about Eastgate?

Also, did I overhear them talking about Matusow having his soul crushed by the UB cheating? They were saying stuff like "but then he lost a bunch more because he changed his style and started playing badly and doubting himself"

It would be great if, like on a DVD, they had several sound tracks for the show and one of the sound tracks clearly captured all the table talk.

good stuff

Bad lay down, he had the odds to call and see a river. All his analysis did was make him lay down the best hand.

[ ] Nh Barry

[x] Durrr pwned the softer player

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joke J.O., IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The one thing I learned from this tread is that 99.9% of the players here go broke when there Aces get cracked, not that Durrrr cracked them but PE did or should have, and it was just as easy to think that Durrrr had the 24, that is much more in his range then PE so when PE folds you have to put Durrrr on the 2.

Now also it stings like a son of a bitch when you lay down the best hand but not as bad when you blow your stack because you can not lay down AA. So I still agree with BG for the laydown even though it was wrong at the time. But if it was Durrrr that had the 24 and Barry called him then all the rail bird would be calling him a giant donk for making that call.

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