Yeah. You still have a point though; Dwan shows a bluff like that which gets a lot of publicity, and whenever he DOES have trips in that spot again, he's more likely to get called.

Remember when Brad Booth bluffed Phil Ivey out of pocket Kings post flop on HSP 3? He said part of the reason was for the implied odds for games after HSP.

Yeah, I think the way the hand went down we just assumed (cameras help) that everyone knew PE had a deuce, so when he folded Dwan's range should've been narrowed even further to air. But as Barry said, PE actually folded very quickly, like in 5 seconds, which suggests that he had been reading Dwan for making a play, and had a marginal hand himself, instead of having a weak deuce and being put to a tough decision. Had he tanked for like 2 minutes and then folded, it would've been a different story and Barry may have shoved.

this would be the perfect time for doyle to 4bet flop.

Then Barry would would think he's beat and fold. Tom, on the other hand, would call realizing that Doyle would not do this with a 2x+ or TT and Eastgate would fold 2x thinking that he has the worst hand since Tom's call is so strong there.

So Tom would still win.

But seriously... I don't think is Doyle is capable of bluffing there, it's just not a play he makes

How come he did not pick up on Durrrr's look like he was going to crap himself when Barry took his cards out and looked like he was getting ready to fold?

if doyle had a hand like jt sure it would be an OK spot to 4bet flop given the blockers

but as such doing something like this would be suicidal spew.. IMO.

No way Tom is calling Doyle's 4 bet shove there.

barry's spot was tougher than ivey's with kk vs booth imo.

and then he went busto, good point

Is there a link to this story?

I'm not sure that the Busto Comitee has deliberated yet.

A few thoughts...

I think the quickness of Peter's call on the flop gave away some information about the weakness of his kicker. With online poker, quickness of play is one of the few tells that you can pick up from other players and Dwan is no doubt extremely aware of this - clearly he displays incredible control in the timing of his plays on HSP. He's not playing slow because he's thinking - he's doing it to avoid giving away information about his hand (interestingly this is a point that Moneymaker made in his book..he was very conscious about the amount of time he took before making any play during the ME that he won). Peter quick-calling the flop sends the message of "okay, i called...the pot's big enough, let's hurry up and show down our hands already." If he had A2 or TT in this situation, I think he would have taken more time before putting chips in the pot. If you look back at the A6 vs 76 hand, you can see Peter takes a LOT longer to decide to call on all three post-flop streets. Dwan easily puts Peter on a weak deuce and Barry on an overpair.

Also, this flop 8-handed is an ideal flop to make a huge bluff on because there are no draws - either you have a monster or nothing (although Dwan sorta had a boat draw as a crude backup and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see the ten on the river considering some of the sick luck he's had in the past). In an 8-handed pot with a T22 flop, there are only two hands that Dwan is worried about anyone having - TT and A2. By holding a ten, he doesn't put anyone else on TT and by raising the flop he can quickly figure out if anyone has A2. The only 2 callers are Peter and Barry and Barry can't possibly have A2 because he's too tight a player to raise A2 utg. My first point shows why I think Dwan wouldn't put Peter on A2. Also, since Barry overcalls on the flop, it's very possible for Dwan to put Barry squarely on aces here, which makes A2 even more unlikely for Peter. Dwan is clearly trying to represent A2, knowing that nobody else is on this hand. Peter makes a reasonable fold, not wanting to risk a huge stack and look like a big sucker for not only playing 42 but losing his whole stack with it to Dwan on national television. I think that Barry should realize that Dwan is representing A2...more specifically (as Barry himself mentioned) A2 of diamonds. Now, Barry, what's more likely...that Dwan has exactly the one possible hand that could beat you, or that he's trying to make a crazy durrrr play at a huge pot on HSP in front of millions of people?

He wouldn't make a play like this in a game that is not played frequently.
If you make the play and it doesn't work you're not going to gain any meta-game benefits from it.

http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5203

here's from the forum. anyone post this yet?

Berry could have bluffed and put all his money in.. bluffing that he had the nuts for a re steal.. BUt he didn't have the skill to.. IMO it would be more talked about than dwans 100k steal..

this would have been a berrys RESTEAL FROM DWAN THREAD

If Barry played like that he would be broke pretty fast.

this hand from last season was pretty similar... except DB doesnt give a **** about the money... notice Barry G subtly mocking Benyamines call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnhaHgacm1w

This timing is a reasonable point, but I hadn't played with Peter before this and he seemed strong when he called and then weak when he folded.

The funny thing is I'm one of the looser players at the table, Durrrr, Daniel, and Eli are looser, and Ziig is when he's drunk. I guess that actually puts me in the middle at this particular table. I always open Ax suited in deepstack cash games, so I could have it. I might be afraid of 10-10 from Peter, but not from Durrrr.

I finally went from 40 years of being a LAG to being considered a tight player because of playing a short stack on one of the seasons of highstakes poker. I remember in one season, Mori (the producer) said we edited out about ten of your bluffs because it would have been repetitive and they all looked the same. In WPT final tables, I think my stats are the loosest. The first one that I won, I think I raised every hand that hadn't been opened if it got to me after the first few minutes once I realized how tight everyone was playing. (You can only tell by seeing how much I gain after each commercial.)

I simply missed the point that Tom used the Ten in his hand to take Peter off T-T. The other problem is I hadn't played NL with Durrrr in the last year, and I didn't know how capable he was of making these plays. That's why I called Phil and Tuan afterward, and they both said they would fold.

I also didn't go to other things that might have helped me, like even looking at Tom. (There are other things I should have factored in that I don't want to give up.) I spent too much time saying to myself, "I guess Peter somehow didn't have a Deuce," and I didn't think that Tom could have known it when he bet on the turn. I didn't think Peter could fold it so effortlessly.

Barry

Barry, what do you think went through Durrrr's mind when he raised the flop with QT, was he already setting up a bluff for the turn, or he actually might have thought he had the best hand and wanted to see where he was? Is it a positive EV move? Or is it one of those where you make a less profitable move to mix it up and confuse your opponents a small percentage of the time? We can kind of see your and Peter's thinking, but I am stunned with Durrrr's play. Can you evaluate your thoughts about Durrrr's thought process?

Thanks.

i agree with whoever said that barry's spot here is a lot tougher than phil's with kings in s3. can't blame him for folding the turn one bit (although he should have def folded the flop imo).

edit: also i don't think durrr's flop raise is to set up a bluff for the turn. just trying to find out where he was, he is super lag after all.

How do you feel about Eastgate's check on the turn? While watching the broadcast, that actually seemed to me to be the single most egregious error. PE should know from your call that you have an overpair, and probably not 10s, and he should know that TD, putting you on that overpair, may have been making a move. But to check the turn and basically hand over the keys to TD seemed like a mindblowing miscalculation.

once eastgate decides just to call the flop i think checking the turn is pretty standard

Not that I am in anyway an NL expert (or poker expert for that matter), but I made this point that Durrr cannot have pocket 10s here 99.95% of the time based on the fact that he flat called preflop without much thought.
Your thoughts on this?

I don't agree...I think he's calling the flop to see what BG does, in particular, to see if he 3-bets it. Once he just calls, PG should be able to deduce that it becomes even more unlikely that he has 10s. That, combined with TD's penchant for loose plays, should compel PE to fire out something on the turn, and if he's raised there, he can safely fold. Basically, the whole notion of betting hands that don't have outs, especially when a LAG is in the pot and might apply further pressure. I dunno, that's how I would have played it in his position...

He may raise preflop, but I certainly didn't think he would raise with Tens full and deprive someone a chance of hitting a smaller full, so that wasn't important to me. In situations where you have top full, you usually don't worry about raising to prevent overpairs from hitting their full-houses because they aren't folding anyway.

While I'm at it, I wonder how many people thought it was obvious that Daniel should have raised immediately when he flopped three Deuces with his J2 against Peter, but claimed that Durrrr would slowplay three Deuces against me. I was a big favorite to have an overpair here, and I was definitely going to reraise him if Peter didn't get in the way.

Barry