HSP S5 Ep.2 Last Hand - Greenstein's Analysis - Page 13 - Televised Poker -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

pineapple888 · 03-20-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

I'm curious how many 8 way pots you've played with loose players.

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Dude... just slow down a bit... cause I have no idea what we are talking about now.

I deeply respect your game, and AFAIK every thinking player does also, so that's not the issue.

So getting back to the hand in question, my only point was that I found it LOL that you evaluated some 5-variable equation to reach your decision, when the overwhelming factor was whether durrrr was capable of making a move in that spot.

Because IF you thought he was capable of doing so, the number of hands with which he might make a move absolutely overwhelms any of the TT vs. A2s issues.

And IF you thought he wasn't, then of course it's a trivial fold.

That was my only point.

barryg1 · 03-20-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pineapple888

Because IF you thought he was capable of doing so, the number of hands with which he might make a move absolutely overwhelms any of the TT vs. A2s issues.

And IF you thought he wasn't, then of course it's a trivial fold.

That was my only point.

I didn't say I made the right play. I just gave my line of reasoning. I wasn't sure what to do, and I erred on the conservative side. This coming week's episode I wasn't sure what to do also, and had to guess. Some hands that went down without a flop and probably won't be shown factored into my decision. Most likely, a better mathematical analysis using my opponent's range would probably have resulted in a different decision, but sometimes math is idiotic.

Barry

Ihatelosing · 03-20-2009, 04:51 AM

I remember watching this, and thinking that it totally depends how deep barry was. If barry was 180k or less pre i think he shudda felted. otherwise i think he made a good pass (esp if he had over 200k pre)

ypk · 03-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by barryg1

I think I three-bet my entire range when Daniel and Peter came into pots because I was trying to isolate and prevent Tom and Eli from raising behind me. (I think most of the posters here didn't even realize that I raised Daniel preflop with the J10 offsuit after he limped in.) I reraised looser than the rest of the table, but they call a lot looser than I do. This is the right strategy against this table. In each of the seasons Mori tells me that there is no reason to show the pots I take down preflop, because they don't make for interesting viewing. It looks like it has helped my reputation in tournaments. I'm happy to be called a nit. Tuan and Phil complain that I get away with so many things that they get caught doing. You guys are my best PR agents.

They laughed at me when I called you loose

cl0r0x70 · 03-24-2009, 12:31 PM

Sitting at a poker table with Tom Dwan on your immediate left is absolutely a worse case scenario.

ypk · 03-24-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cl0r0x70

Sitting at a poker table with Tom Dwan on your immediate left is absolutely a worse case scenario.

Not necessarily in multi-way pots. If he's pushing the action, you get to see how the rest of the table reacts to him before it's your turn, which is some kind of info edge.

slik · 03-25-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by _Tiko_

Greenstein talks about the hand on poker road radio:

http://pokerroad.com/radio/tips-from...n-and-eastgate

There are a lot of subtle factors involved obviously. But in the end BG called the flop bet because he did not know what was going on, and he had AA. On the turn he still did not know what is going on, and the bets were getting more expensive. It really was that simple.

Typically, it's best to fold when unsure what to do. Had BG just folded the flop, he would not have give Dwan a chance to outplay him.

bjorkg · 03-25-2009, 06:16 AM

Eastgate & Dwan on the hand:
http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/show...?t=5203&page=3

funkyj · 03-25-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bjorkg

Eastgate & Dwan on the hand:
http://www.pokerroad.com/forums/show...?t=5203&page=3

Nice analysis by Eastgate. It is cool to see all the participants of the hand comenting.

Kangster · 03-25-2009, 04:46 PM

Thinking about the suits of the aces... that's some intelligent thinking

galen · 03-26-2009, 10:20 PM

barry is smart/pretty good at poker but def. not great at deep stack nl. as his analysis shows

galen · 03-26-2009, 10:24 PM

wow just readwhhole discussion barry seems reallyyyy outclassed by fricke and bonomo.

Brian J · 03-27-2009, 12:39 AM

Some of you boneheads tilt the hell out of me...