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There is an episode of Fullt tilt poker aussie millions cash game (horrible show by the way. They play one hand then have 7 commercials) where somebody commented that Ivey used to play even faster than that when he came on the scene. I think it was Matusow.

Maybe so.. but he obviously adjusted b/c it's not sustainable long term. I'm sure Doyle was a fast player back in the day - super system is all about that. But people eventually picked up on his play and he had to adjust. I don't see anything in Dwan's arsenal to me the indicates he can adjust. Live by the sword and die by the sword with that guy.

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03-09-2009 , 12:08 AM

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txbarbarossa

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this reminds me of season 3 when Daniel Negreanu tried to bluff Bemyamine off aces.... on a similar rag board.... DB picked it off though... hate to rip on Barryg1 but he plays like semi scared money in that game

I'm not one to doubt Barry's play. But against a lunatic you have to call there. If you lose, you accept it. I am not laying down that hand to a lunatic EVER.

Eastgate was super deep so you can at least make an argument for him. Greenstein needs to call there and accept the results.

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03-09-2009 , 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by txbarbarossa

I agree. He does seem to be a hyper maniac; gus hansen on steroids and 20 cans of red bull...x10!

edit: But I think he's smart enough to adjust and I think it's easier to tighten up than it is to loosen up your play

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03-09-2009 , 12:11 AM

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youre a donk

lol @ comparing durrrr to random lunatic maniacs

get a grip

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03-09-2009 , 12:15 AM

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That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's silly to assume Durr is bluffing 10 out of a 11 times because most of his pf range doesn't have a 2 or pocket pair in it. Sure you have to assume that he could be bluffing but it's a tricky spot for Eastgate given stack sizes.

How often do you think the top 10 uber high stakes cash players call (to call/check riv) or shove in Eastgate's position on the turn? My suspicion is that 90% of the time, a well rolled opponent call/shoves with Eastgate's stack against durrr. Does that mean it's correct to assume that 10 out of 11 times durrr is bluffing because 10 out of 11 times he has air in his p/f range given the board? Probably not, but it's one important reason.

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03-09-2009 , 12:15 AM

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rizeagainst

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Interesting question: what does Barry put Eastgate on after he calls the flop?

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03-09-2009 , 12:16 AM

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Durrr's raise reminds me of somewhat of raising with just an ace with the board showing a flush in omaha.

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03-09-2009 , 12:17 AM

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i hoped eastgate calls and see river

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03-09-2009 , 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Interesting question: what does Barry put Eastgate on after he calls the flop?

terrible call after eastgate calls

its not like he ever has QQ and KK after his call only preflop or whatever.

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03-09-2009 , 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

youre a donk

lol @ comparing durrrr to random lunatic maniacs

get a grip

I agree durrr's play is anything but random lunatic mania, but the equilibrium strategy against his style has to include picking off his bluffs, even if that means getting stacked if he happens to have a really improbably good hand.

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03-09-2009 , 12:19 AM

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What?

I don't understand how you think this is evidence that Durr is bluffing the vast majority of the time in this spot.

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03-09-2009 , 12:20 AM

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lastout

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just my feeling or are they showing too little hands ? like, less than in previous seasons ?

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03-09-2009 , 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

terrible call after eastgate calls

its not like he ever has QQ and KK after his call only preflop or whatever.

Agreed. If not terrible, at least not good. I wonder how much of that call was because he's never played with Eastgate before.

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03-09-2009 , 12:21 AM

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Is barry putting him on like A10 there?? i mean wtf

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03-09-2009 , 12:24 AM

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i guess you cant play aces worse in that table.

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03-09-2009 , 12:27 AM

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lastout

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he is putting him on TT/x2 and also he knows he potentialy could face $300k on river......

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03-09-2009 , 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jjshabado

What?

I don't understand how you think this is evidence that Durr is bluffing the vast majority of the time in this spot.

Well, if that kind of bet gets called 90% of the time, it should entail that in the judgment of the person making the call, he is exteremly +ev on the call, and that would also entail that the person who bet is bluffing or overvaluing his holdings 90% of the time, in the judgment of the player making the call. So my opinion - a fairly superficial one I concede - is that that bet is getting called/raised 90% of the time by people who have more experience playing durrr, in the unlikely situation that a hand gets played out like it did to the turn.

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03-09-2009 , 12:29 AM

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it was a great hand. cant really blame eastgate or barry that much - dwan simply overplayed them. and when i first heard ziigmund saying that he was the fish at the table i thought he was exaggerating but now i see that's not case. he played terrible, especially in the hand with eastgate.

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03-09-2009 , 12:32 AM

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zigmund didnt play terrible.
that 99 call is questionable but definately not that bad.

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03-09-2009 , 12:35 AM

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he is putting him on TT/x2 and also he knows he potentialy could face $300k on river......

I don't know why...with 1010 or say A2 suited here wouldn't the better play be to flat call barry's bet and hope to trap a couple of other x10 callers or mid pairs behind?

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03-09-2009 , 12:35 AM

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Eastgate's bet on the turn was really good and threw zigmund off.

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03-09-2009 , 12:38 AM

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wow that was the best HSP hand ever. can't wait to hear barry's comments.

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03-09-2009 , 12:38 AM

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http://www.pokertube.com/Movies.aspx...er_S05_Ep2_1_4

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03-09-2009 , 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyShuffle

I don't know why...with 1010 or say A2 suited here wouldn't the better play be to flat call barry's bet and hope to trap a couple of other x10 callers or mid pairs behind?

i think not cos those hands arent going to stick around and agasint a2 if u have 4 hands running they still have decent equity together.

also if u have monster u have to build the big pot if you want to win one imo.
barry wont necessarily want to build big pot with 1 pair on turn--tho its out of question here cos he was oop and would not have much control in hand