High Stakes Poker S5 Episode 2 thread

[mp_all_in]

Originally Posted by jjshabado

I haven't given it much thought, and clearly these guys are better than me. But they have like 350 thousand behind. If Eastgate calls he's completely turned his hand face up (and knows it). His hand is almost impossible to play on the river. Durr is in position to give up a large percentage of time if he's bluffing and save himself any more money. A small amount of time Durr can continue his bluff and make Eastgate make a tough decision. If he isn't bluffing he's going to make another value bet on the river to make more money.

On top of that Barry was still behind Eastgate and can't be completely ignored.

I think Eastgate made the right decision.

He has to suspect his hand is already face up when he call 2bets OOP on the flop-from the blind where he had to call pre. Can he really be thinking Dwan has a better 2 there? Which one could he have calling Barry's raise from early position. Seems to me if he had a 2 it would be A2 or more likely 23,24,25,26. So then is Eastgate thinking Dwan or Barry had 1010? Seems to me its a call all the way. But, I'm not Peter. Maybe someone knows where he's discussed this hand.

[jjshabado]

Originally Posted by sanoxx

Say Eastgate calls turn, river is a blank, Eastgate checks, do you think he fires river?

Similar to Gabe's answer at the start... sometimes. I think Durr knows that on the river in this situation he has to give up on the bluff sometimes (I suspect most of the time) but that it's also important to fire the third bullet every once in awhile.

[tarmangani]

Originally Posted by mp_all_in

He has to suspect his hand is already face up when he call 2bets OOP on the flop-from the blind where he had to call pre. Can he really be thinking Dwan has a better 2 there? Which one could he have calling Barry's raise from early position. Seems to me if he had a 2 it would be A2 or more likely 23,24,25,26. So then is Eastgate thinking Dwan or Barry had 1010? Seems to me its a call all the way. But, I'm not Peter. Maybe someone knows where he's discussed this hand.

Good point that a deuce doesn't have many combinations calling from EP. A hand like Q2s/J2s/82s seems too loose even for Dwan. Tough to do, but Barry could've made this call once Eastgate folds (especially if he puts him on some ragged deuce), as the only sensible EP deuce is A2s, and he's holding two of the aces.

[jjshabado]

Originally Posted by mp_all_in

He has to suspect his hand is already face up when he call 2bets OOP on the flop-from the blind where he had to call pre. Can he really be thinking Dwan has a better 2 there? Which one could he have calling Barry's raise from early position. Seems to me if he had a 2 it would be A2 or more likely 23,24,25,26. So then is Eastgate thinking Dwan or Barry had 1010? Seems to me its a call all the way. But, I'm not Peter. Maybe someone knows where he's discussed this hand.

You're right, he does have to suspect his hand is already face up. Which means that Durr's bet on the turn is that much stronger. The flop call is a lot easier because Durr's shown less strength and he isn't yet pot committed. The turn bet is very strong and I think pot commits Eastgate (not sure - maybe?).

[smrk]

Durrr's range might be air / monster, but that proportion is 10 to 1 considering how few hands he coul have with a 2 and a good kicker or 1010. If Doyle, Mr B., Zig, prolly DN and Eli are facing the 100k bet on the turn they are insta shoving with A/A let alone 24 so durrr was clearly playing the players.

[smrk]

Originally Posted by jjshabado

You're right, he does have to suspect his hand is already face up. Which means that Durr's bet on the turn is that much stronger. The flop call is a lot easier because Durr's shown less strength and he isn't yet pot committed. The turn bet is very strong and I think pot commits Eastgate (not sure - maybe?).

I question how strong that turn bet is if benyamine is in the hand, or doyle or zig. I think any of those guys would have been allin with aa or 24 on that board.

TBH, if I were eastgate or barry, the only hand I would have feared would be 77, nothing else except a2 suited makes sense and barry has 2 aces.

[mp_all_in]

Originally Posted by jjshabado

You're right, he does have to suspect his hand is already face up. Which means that Durr's bet on the turn is that much stronger. The flop call is a lot easier because Durr's shown less strength and he isn't yet pot committed. The turn bet is very strong and I think pot commits Eastgate (not sure - maybe?).

I think Gabe mentions he has around 500K behind when the turn call is to Eastgate. I thought Peter was an experienced enough player for him to know that Dwan would know, that he knows...etc. Altho Dwan reraises early on the flop with basically everybody to act after him...seems like strength

Originally Posted by smrk

Durrr's range might be air / monster, but that proportion is 10 to 1 considering how few hands he coul have with a 2 and a good kicker or 1010. If Doyle, Mr B., Zig, prolly DN and Eli are facing the 100k bet on the turn they are insta shoving with A/A let alone 24 so durrr was clearly playing the players.

Oh yeah this for sure. Dwan knows what's going on so well that he has the confidence to own both of them.

[BGNYC]

"He lives in a little cabin in Durrrland"

This is why Gabe is the best on tv. If only ESPN would hire him and fire Norman Chad. Can't say enough about that last hand. I need to ask Gabe for directions to Durrrland cuz I'm movin there.

[fallon109]

is it up on youtube yet???

[mega]

not cardplayertube or youtube either

[2OutsNoProb]

I really hate Barry's raise under the gun there.

I'm in agreement with this. This small a raise at this loose and unpredictable table, UTG? Miserable. He's asking for a monosuited, connected flop where four of the seven players hit the board harder then his overpair. As it stands, he got the best possible looking non-A flop for his hand in a 7 way pot, and was STILL outflopped. He should limp/raise or at least open for significantly more. This isn't NL400 on Stars.

[Tornado69]

Sickest bluff ever shown on TV ... and he called it right after to which makes it more sicker ... on the flop I was thinking and still am wtf is he thinking I thought it was a 100% fold .. then on the turn he was moving those blue chips I thought their is no way he's crazy enough to bet when it's obvious he has to be dominated and his only out is hopefully one of the 2 10's. I think everyone at the table should be buying in for the minimum with a guy like that on the table because it's -ev.

[2OutsNoProb]

Durrr's range might be air / monster, but that proportion is 10 to 1 considering how few hands he coul have with a 2 and a good kicker or 1010. If Doyle, Mr B., Zig, prolly DN and Eli are facing the 100k bet on the turn they are insta shoving with A/A let alone 24 so durrr was clearly playing the players.

Bingo.

[jjshabado]

Originally Posted by smrk

Durrr's range might be air / monster, but that proportion is 10 to 1 considering how few hands he coul have with a 2 and a good kicker or 1010.

This is definitely wrong. His raise on the flop was of an UTG raiser with like 5 people left to act behind him. He's not doing this with air that often. His bet on the turn followed two really strong calls on the flop... again he's not doing this with air that often.

I think that to assume that's he's bluffing over 90% of the time here is ridiculous.

[ChicagoWeGoHard]

Originally Posted by smrk

Durrr's range might be air / monster, but that proportion is 10 to 1 considering how few hands he coul have with a 2 and a good kicker or 1010. If Doyle, Mr B., Zig, prolly DN and Eli are facing the 100k bet on the turn they are insta shoving with A/A let alone 24 so durrr was clearly playing the players.

+1