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03-08-2009 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr
Eastgate playing strong...
Until he played super weak. I guess you have to believe that Dwan has A2 like Kaplan suggested, because you only know where 3 of the 4 2s are.
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03-08-2009 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Until he played super weak. I guess you have to believe that Dwan has A2 like Kaplan suggested, because you only know where 3 of the 4 2s are.
LOL
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03-08-2009 , 11:39 PM
I think Eastgate and Barry totally misplayed this hand on the turn. Perhaps Barry was tired. When a guy is playing every hand sometimes you have to look him up w/ Aces and especially trips. Durr called UTG+1. Then he raised the flop w/ 5 people to act behind him. Would he really raise a 2 in this spot (or have called it up front) w/ that many people to act behind him?

Surely Barry knew that Durr thought he had a big pair. And he might have thought that Durr thought Barry wouldn't fold to a bet given how loose he's been so he decided he could milk him for everything by playing it fast. With that line of thinking Barry decided he had a 2 and folded; totally outthinking himself

Of course there is some editing in the show and maybe something we didn't see affected the decisions.
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03-08-2009 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
omgthanxyou
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03-08-2009 , 11:42 PM
So you think durrr's plan was to represent A2 suited or 23-25 suited or 1010 on the flop because barry (and anybody else at the table who might have also had a 2) will fold O/Ps or weak 2s to him on the turn just because they fall for the strong-weak-strong-ubernuts psychology? I mean, I'm not an expert and I will concede to your analysis, but I've watched durrr play a fair amount and I think any top online opponent would suck it up and lose a 500-600k pot with AA or 24 there if they are behind.

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This is a big mistake in poker. It's silly to try to evaluate his turn bet given his pf range and not take into account the flop/turn action.
So how do you evaluate his turn bet, do you just assume he was been blessed with A2 suited or 1010 and move on? I don't know seems really paranoid.
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03-08-2009 , 11:44 PM
Here's an even better question: why is eastgate even playing 42o if he's too afraid to get it in on a 2 10 2 flop against someone playing every hand?
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03-08-2009 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tornado69
Sickest bluff ever shown on TV ... and he called it right after to which makes it more sicker ...
+1 and he took another 2k from Doyle on the side bet
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03-08-2009 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
wow awesome hand.

I don't blame Eastgate's fold nor Barry's fold.
Barry's fold was understandable and I think he could have went other way, although when Barry put his hands on the card and they cut to Tom, he seemed extremely nervous... I was thinking Barry was going to call. I think Barry talked himself out of it due to his own image. That Barry plays so tight on HSP most of the time that there is no way Durr would still be making a play at him because he had to know he had something.

As for Eastgate, don't see it. It was a bad fold. Eastgate is not a high stakes poker player as far as I know, so I can't really blame him... but it tilts me to no end when Durrrr can make courageous raises with the worst hand, but so many people are always willing to not call when they have a good hand. It is like they think they are going to get some kind of special reward for making great laydowns, and it doesn't matter if it is only a great laydown 10% of the time, they are not going to miss out. To me lets say Dwan had something like A2 there.. c'est la vie you lost the hand.

Tom amazed me on that hand. I don't know if his play was more fearless or reckless but he knew what he was doing that was clear. He made a play at Eastgate and had him figured out hard. I have to give Tom all the credit in the world, it was a very well played hand and his hyper aggressiveness tonight really worked out for him.
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03-08-2009 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by smrk
So you think durrr's plan was to represent A2 suited or 23-25 suited or 1010 on the flop because barry (and anybody else at the table who might have also had a 2) will fold O/Ps or weak 2s to him on the turn just because they fall for the strong-weak-strong-ubernuts psychology? I mean, I'm not an expert and I will concede to your analysis, but I've watched durrr play a fair amount and I think any top online opponent would suck it up and lose a 500-600k pot with AA or 24 there if they are behind.



So how do you evaluate his turn bet, do you just assume he was been blessed with A2 suited or 1010 and move on? I don't know seems really paranoid.
He also knows Barry is as tight as they get at this table and Eastgate wouldn't even raise trips. Durr showed that he knew Eastgate had the 2 and given that he wouldn't put in a lot of money in w/ trips against him he knew that he could push him out of the pot on the turn. It's very impressive play by Durr, but not so good by the other 2.
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03-08-2009 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Here's an even better question: why is eastgate even playing 42o if he's too afraid to get it in on a 2 10 2 flop against someone playing every hand?
guess he was hoping the flop would be 4,4,4
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03-08-2009 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BGNYC
"He lives in a little cabin in Durrrland"

This is why Gabe is the best on tv. If only ESPN would hire him and fire Norman Chad. Can't say enough about that last hand. I need to ask Gabe for directions to Durrrland cuz I'm movin there.
Durrrland is -$3.5 Million in 2009 online. Not the greatest place to be.
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03-08-2009 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd
still shaking my head. just awesome.

cant wait for the next episode to see who 'runs into quads'...
Daniel's the only player I remember running into quads on a previous episode
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03-08-2009 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by txbarbarossa
Durrrland is -$3.5 Million in 2009 online. Not the greatest place to be.
It's all relative to the stakes he plays and it's early in the year. He can win that in one day
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03-08-2009 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Here's an even better question: why is eastgate even playing 42o if he's too afraid to get it in on a 2 10 2 flop against someone playing every hand?
Very good point.
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03-08-2009 , 11:53 PM
Besides that sicko hand in the end that overshadows everything (quite understandable) I also liked the three checks from durrrr with broadway vs ziig.
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03-08-2009 , 11:53 PM
ok where can i see it on the net now?
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03-08-2009 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ueberstimuliert
Besides that sicko hand in the end that overshadows everything (quite understandable) I also liked the three checks from durrrr with broadway vs ziig.
Yeah I was actually a little dumbfounded by the third check, but it worked out perfectly.

Durr is running some people over, will be interesting to see what kind of adjustments they make...and what kind of adjustments he makes.
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03-08-2009 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
It's all relative to the stakes he plays and it's early in the year. He can win that in one day
Perhaps. But if he continues this streak he will be the new guy Laliberte online player.

He's just a borderline lunatic with no regard for money. As DN said last episode "this is a guy that doesn't like folding" about Durrr. You see Ivey doing that stuff? No. B/c you don't survive the long term playing like that. Brad Booth looked real smart with his stupid allin bluff on HSP and we found out later that guy went practically busto... probably from getting his bluffs picked off.

Yeah Durrr someday will have a story to tell about his run in online poker from rags to riches and back to rags again. but that's about it.
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03-08-2009 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by smrk
So you think durrr's plan was to represent A2 suited or 23-25 suited or 1010 on the flop because barry (and anybody else at the table who might have also had a 2) will fold O/Ps or weak 2s to him on the turn just because they fall for the strong-weak-strong-ubernuts psychology? I mean, I'm not an expert and I will concede to your analysis, but I've watched durrr play a fair amount and I think any top online opponent would suck it up and lose a 500-600k pot with AA or 24 there if they are behind.
I don't know what Durr's plan was, which is why I'm not actually convinced it was a good plan (I don't know if it was bad either). It worked... but that doesn't necessarily mean it was good. I am pretty sure that Durr wasn't raising because he was happy with his hand.

I agree with the part about AA. I think Barry probably should have called. 24 is trickier because Eastgate was so much deeper.

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So how do you evaluate his turn bet, do you just assume he was been blessed with A2 suited or 1010 and move on? I don't know seems really paranoid.
That's not even close to what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's silly to assume Durr is bluffing 10 out of a 11 times because most of his pf range doesn't have a 2 or pocket pair in it. Sure you have to assume that he could be bluffing but it's a tricky spot for Eastgate given stack sizes.
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03-09-2009 , 12:01 AM
the key point is that barry calls the raise on the flop, if he didnt, im pretty sure eastgate woulda called the bet on the turn but now he has barry behind too.

Durrrr knows what barry has but peter doesnt know what barry has, his 42 with this action cannot be ready to put 500k in the pot against a guy betting into 3 after all that.

if barry folded eastgate wouldnt even think about folding. He just probably thinks durrrr isnt 2nd barreling on that dry board with this many callers.
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03-09-2009 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Here's an even better question: why is eastgate even playing 42o if he's too afraid to get it in on a 2 10 2 flop against someone playing every hand?
This is a semi-ridiculous simplification.
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03-09-2009 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by txbarbarossa
Perhaps. But if he continues this streak he will be the new guy Laliberte online player.

He's just a borderline lunatic with no regard for money. As DN said last episode "this is a guy that doesn't like folding" about Durrr. You see Ivey doing that stuff? No. B/c you don't survive the long term playing like that. Brad Booth looked real smart with his stupid allin bluff on HSP and we found out later that guy went practically busto... probably from getting his bluffs picked off.

Yeah Durrr someday will have a story to tell about his run in online poker from rags to riches and back to rags again. but that's about it.
There is an episode of Fullt tilt poker aussie millions cash game (horrible show by the way. They play one hand then have 7 commercials) where somebody commented that Ivey used to play even faster than that when he came on the scene. I think it was Matusow.
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03-09-2009 , 12:02 AM
It would be pretty sick if Durrr and BG would come into this thread and explain their thought process in the hand.
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03-09-2009 , 12:02 AM
Barry also has to assume that Eastgate doesn't have a 2, which makes Durr's range include more 2s.
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03-09-2009 , 12:03 AM
this reminds me of season 3 when Daniel Negreanu tried to bluff Bemyamine off aces.... on a similar rag board.... DB picked it off though... hate to rip on Barryg1 but he plays like semi scared money in that game
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