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some1 · 03-09-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lastout

zigmund didnt play terrible.
that 99 call is questionable but definately not that bad.

combined with the way he played the hand and how it was unfolded, it was a very bad call.

mp_all_in · 03-09-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

the key point is that barry calls the raise on the flop, if he didnt, im pretty sure eastgate woulda called the bet on the turn but now he has barry behind too.

Durrrr knows what barry has but peter doesnt know what barry has, his 42 with this action cannot be ready to put 500k in the pot against a guy betting into 3 after all that.

if barry folded eastgate wouldnt even think about folding. He just probably thinks durrrr isnt 2nd barreling on that dry board with this many callers.

what hand is Eastgate worried about Barry having after he raised UTG pre and led out on the flop with ALL the players to act after him? Can Eastgate really think that Barry has him beat? I don't see how. I'm assumed Eastgate knew he had Barry beat and that's why the flat call on the flop...maybe Barry reraises and Eastgate gets it all. But I still think Barry HAS to pretty much know he's beat when Eastgate calls the flop.

Just think both players talked themselves out of the hand after Tom's turn bet. And Eastgate not wanting to get involved in a big pot since he was up over 100K at that point.

jjshabado · 03-09-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smrk

Well, if that kind of bet gets called 90% of the time, it should entail that in the judgment of the person making the call, he is exteremly +ev on the call, and that would also entail that the person who bet is bluffing or overvaluing his holdings 90% of the time, in the judgment of the player making the call. So my opinion - a fairly superficial one I concede - is that that bet is getting called/raised 90% of the time by people who have more experience playing durrr, in the unlikely situation that a hand gets played out like it did to the turn.

Ok... there's a lot wrong in there...

1) You just made up the 90% of the time other players call/push Dwan. Out of thin air. So it's not really relevant.

2) If someone calls it doesn't mean they're 'extremely' +EV. It means they think they're even a tiny bit +EV. People aren't going to fold if they think they're in a +EV situation (before someone gets nitty - they might fold if there are important variance issues).

3) Even if your number wasn't made up, it wouldn't mean that Durr was bluffing 90% of the time. Given the pot odds a player should call/push when they believe Durr is bluffing as little as 35-45% of the time (don't know how much was in the pot). So just because someone calls it DEFINITELY doesn't mean they think he's bluffing that much of time time.

lastout · 03-09-2009, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by some1

combined with the way he played the hand and how it was unfolded, it was a very bad call.

i think he just couldnt put eastgate on strong hand which he would just call flop,fire turn. most ppl just check that jack on turn.

lastout · 03-09-2009, 12:45 AM

imo zigmund should have bet the turn big in that hand. dunno how deep they both were...

BenR · 03-09-2009, 12:45 AM

I think durrrr raise on this flop is not good and probably don't play that way online. He has to be afraid of an overpair by Barry, since he is not betting in 7 guys with ak,aq or underpair like almost never, plus Barry did open UGT. I really think its a fold by durrrr on this flop.

Since he raise and got cold call by eastgate and overcall by barry, I think he now knows that he is beat. His bet on the turn is for sure a bluff in is mind and not for value. I do not understand how eastgate can laid down this hand on the turn. Eastgate is only losing to TT and a deuce with a better kicker. The only hand that make some sense that durrr could have there is a2 and sometime maybe k2. I don't think durrr call a raise in that spot with a worse deuce then those 2 hands. The only way I see easgate fold here on the turn is if he believe that Barry has TT. That is possible but still a very narrow range.

After eastgate fold the turn I think it is a very close decision by Barry. The only 3 hand I can see durrr having that beat Barry here is TT, A2,K2, and K2 I am not sure at all he can have that that often. So I think I make the call If I am Barry and playing my normal limit.

hellsis · 03-09-2009, 12:48 AM

Well I don´t think barry thinks durrr would turn a marginal made hand in to a bluff. I am honestly really confused why durr played the way he did. If he had 67 i would like the line so much more even tough it maybe is not that much differences cause QT probably has very little value in that spot, I guess.

ScottyShuffle · 03-09-2009, 12:51 AM

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After eastgate fold the turn I think it is a very close decision by Barry. The only 3 hand I can see durrr having that beat Barry here is TT, A2,K2, and K2 I am not sure at all he can have that that often. So I think I make the call If I am Barry and playing my normal limit.

lol I don't think durrrrrrrr is calling an UTG raiser with K2. Far more likely to have 23.

amoeba · 03-09-2009, 12:53 AM

I think durrr decided to bluff on the flop. bluffing with 67 is bad because he has no blockers for TT or even a bare T as some of the other players aside from eastgate are probably calling with a T

BenR · 03-09-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottyShuffle

lol I don't think durrrrrrrr is calling an UTG raiser with K2. Far more likely to have 23.

I agree. But that make Eastgate a even worse fold if thats true.

ScottyShuffle · 03-09-2009, 12:57 AM

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I agree. But that make Eastgate a even worse fold if thats true.

If I'm eastgate here the only hand I'm afraid of is A2 suited. I think durrrrrrr raises with this hand but flats with 1010 to trap a few more in the hand. eastgate folded out of confusion...he just didn't know wtf was going on in the hand.

sbfootball_84 · 03-09-2009, 12:58 AM

Poor Zigmund, I hope they played PLO after.

KSOT · 03-09-2009, 01:00 AM

All hail Durrrr, what else can be said.

Donkologist · 03-09-2009, 01:01 AM

durrrr is officially a superuser

jjshabado · 03-09-2009, 01:02 AM

I just watched the hand again, and I agree that there aren't a lot of 2s in Durr's range (although I think he plays more suited A-T with 2s since Greenstein's pf raising range is pretty narrow and stacks are deep).

What percentage of time do people think Durr is bluffing there?