Changing your mind on chopping blinds - Poker Card Room

Folds around to me in the SB. I ask new player to my left if he chops, he says yes, so we do. Half hour later he tells me he won't be chopping with me anymore, because the guy to his left doesn't chop. It wasn't at the point of us being in the blinds again, he was just letting me know.

Do you guys think this is an acceptable reason to stop chopping with the guy on your right? Or a violation of etiquette similar to chopping or not based on your hand strength?

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06-06-2017 , 09:23 PM

spadesflash

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Nothing wrong with what he's doing. I personally don't think it's bad etiquette not to chop regardless.

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06-06-2017 , 09:24 PM

Starbucks

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Originally Posted by chillrob

This is fine. It's not really an etiquette violation to start or stop chopping for any reason (as long as it's not strength based obviously).

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06-06-2017 , 09:40 PM

PTMHM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

The only way this would have possibly been bad etiquette is if you agreed to chop and then later he started raising your BB without saying anything. He made the choice to stop and he did the right thing by letting you know beforehand. No harm no foul.

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06-06-2017 , 09:41 PM

Lord_Crispen

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At least he's letting you know he changed his mind in advance.

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06-06-2017 , 10:04 PM

chillrob

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Yeah, it's definitely better that he let me know rather than spring it on me. But I still don't think it is exactly right.
I still chop with the player on my right even if the player on my left doesn't chop.

Of course never chopping is fine also, I never meant to imply there was anything wrong with that.

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06-06-2017 , 10:16 PM

Lord_Crispen

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He probably actually didn't want to chop to begin with but felt pressured to do so to be nice, and this was his moment to correct what he peer pressured himself into doing earlier.

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06-06-2017 , 10:29 PM

chillrob

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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen

He probably actually didn't want to chop to begin with but felt pressured to do so to be nice, and this was his moment to correct what he peer pressured himself into doing earlier.

This was definitely not the case, as he went out of his way to ask me if I chopped when he sat down.

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06-06-2017 , 10:36 PM

SB12

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So people just end up getting tilted after losing a little or see a hand they felt obligated to chop with and get mad at the thought they missed some small value. I would just say ok and keep on playing. I could careless majority of the time since it rarely happens when I play but not much you can do either way.

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06-06-2017 , 10:36 PM

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dinesh

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Originally Posted by Starbucks

This is fine. It's not really an etiquette violation to start or stop chopping for any reason (as long as it's not strength based obviously).

Agree. As long as he tells you in advance, who cares? You are free to do the same if you want.

Like you, I always chop to either side regardless, but that is my choice.

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06-06-2017 , 11:44 PM

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KL03

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I think it's unethical because he's only doing this when it's to his advantage. Trying to explain to social ******s why this is bad for the game is a lost cause so I just roll my eyes.

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06-06-2017 , 11:53 PM

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chillrob

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Yeah, that is another point I didn't think to mention. I'm pretty sure if it were reversed and the guy to his right wasn't chopping, he would now tell the player on his left that he would no longer chop.

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06-07-2017 , 03:48 AM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Come on Rob.... this isnt even remotely unethical.

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06-07-2017 , 03:52 AM

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chillrob

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I didn't say it was unethical, just kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. I didn't argue about it with him or anything, just decided to ask here what others thought.

I just noticed I said in my OP that I asked him if he chopped when it folded around to us the first time. Actually that happened with one guy today, and another guy sat to my left and immediately asked if I chopped, and I'm not sure which was the guy who later changed his mind.

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06-07-2017 , 03:57 AM

#15

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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None of it matters. There is zero issue, ever, with canceling a chopping agreement as long it's not in the middle of a hand.

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06-07-2017 , 07:07 AM

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borg23

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100 pct fine
he didn't look at his hand and change his mind. he didn't want to play out of position from the sb and chop the bb. makes total sense.

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06-07-2017 , 10:03 AM

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Playbig2000

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what he did was fine and the right thing to do. He probably figured other people aren't chopping, so neither will he.

Last week it was folded to me in the SB and I chopped with the BB who reluctantly flipped over aces. I said "oh yeah"? and flipped over my queens. We got a little scolding from the table for "not trying to hit the bbj" but I either chop or I don't chop period.

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06-07-2017 , 11:29 AM

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FlyLikeABird

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I see this all the time in time games that are low enough to still have choppers, but has enough regs that like to tell everyone they don't chop because it's a time game. I don't have an issue with this, it does suck to chop your bb but have to play your sb.

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06-07-2017 , 11:39 AM

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steamraise

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Originally Posted by chillrob

I didn't say it was unethical, just kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.

It shouldn't. What he did is 100% fine.

A lot of people don't don't chop when it gets short handed. Would that leave a bad taste in your mouth?

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

but I either chop or I don't chop period.

You still chop 3 handed?

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06-07-2017 , 12:01 PM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by steamraise

You still chop 3 handed?

No, this was a full table.

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06-07-2017 , 12:10 PM

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chillrob

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I don't chop myself 5 handed or less. Most people don't have a problem with that, and it doesn't give me any unfair advantage, but a few times I have run into someone who thought that policy wasn't good.

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06-07-2017 , 12:27 PM

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Lurshy

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

None of it matters. There is zero issue, ever, with canceling a chopping agreement as long it's not in the middle of a hand.

Nailed it...

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06-07-2017 , 12:43 PM

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callipygian

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It's not nice for him to do but not unethical.

If this was the worst thing that happened to me at the casino, I'd be satisfied with it.

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06-07-2017 , 12:55 PM

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youtalkfunny

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I've had people get annoyed when I suggested, ahead of time, that we forego the chop if one of us holds a hand very valuable to an active promo. That was a violation of their "You always chop, or never chop!" tenet. Some folks won't listen to reason.

Hence this thread.

(Choppers always say they're fine with folks who don't want to chop--until those folks don't want to chop with THEM....hence this thread.)

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06-07-2017 , 01:21 PM

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psandman

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Or maybe its not that they won't listen to reason but they have enough integrity not to try to cheat the promo.

Its one thing to say I don't chop because I want the chance to win the promo. Its entirely another to agree ahead of time with another player that you will chop unless you have a potential promo winner as a hand.

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