Brad Booth's thinking process on his bluff against Phil Ivey on HSP - Page 2 - Poker Card Room

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Originally Posted by Iron Mic Titan

That's genius. If he's gettting paid off.

im sure they never fold now.
omg it was apparent ivey had an overpair.
he made a move.

people at 1-2 NL can muck kk on the flop

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10-06-2008 , 02:27 AM

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ecstzatic

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Initially, my thoughts were that if this hand hits, I am going to get paid, because I know he’s got queens, kings or aces. I also know that any time I need to get away from this hand, I can get away from it because I know what he has.

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Smart poker players, like Phil is, think like this, “Even though I probably have the best hand, I’ll just find a better spot to get this guy. You take this one and I’ll take the next one” is the sort of thing he is thinking and what I would be thinking if I were in his position.

Seriously? If Yukon really thinks this then he is a huge fish. First off, Ivey's cold4betting range against an unknown like Booth might well be pretty narrow, but you've at least got to include AK in there, maybe TT/JJ, and maybe random crap depending on whether he thinks Booth is fos.

And anyone can tell you that there's no such thing as a better spot in a cash game, especially since Booth would still be playing with ~600k even if Ivey did take the pot.

edit: none of which is to say that I'd have called, or that it was even a bad bluff. But his reasoning ain't great.

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10-06-2008 , 04:19 PM

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vituzzo

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Originally Posted by DaveyDonk

Yeah for those saying "I'd always make this call" blahblah. You're a fish.

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10-06-2008 , 08:29 PM

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Outdraw Picasso

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Originally Posted by Ben FR

while he won the hand, it was a horrible bluff... in terms of risk/reward, the amount he risked was ridiculous vs. the reward (i.e., a very small pot)

I agree, I wonder if someone with aces or a set would have shoved a 35x all in on that board......

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10-07-2008 , 01:08 AM

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dudemanjack

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Originally Posted by ecstzatic

Wouldn't including hands like AK/TT/JJ in his range make the bluff more profitable? I'm going to assume all those hands are getting mucked to a big check raise.

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10-09-2008 , 03:26 PM

#32

pnycff

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gee i wonder why booth is broke

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10-10-2008 , 01:19 AM

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aasvogel

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Originally Posted by emo_rom

http://www.thepokerpromagazine.com//...d=462&Itemid=2

Brad also talks about the hand with Ivey in this interview from CardPlayer:

http://www.cardplayer.com/tv/32890

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10-21-2008 , 02:00 AM

#34

RiverPlay

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Originally Posted by brokekid

surprised phil didnt call... i would have... I would have placed booth and queens or higher because of the preflop action.

first of all:

you rarely get kings in the first place
your opponent rarely gets aces when you have kings
and even if he has aces it would have only been a bad beat if u call the all in.

summary, brad is a donk and phil gave him TOO MUCH CREDIT. I expect phil to play more aggressive than that...

Aggressive calls FTW

/thread

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10-22-2008 , 03:55 PM

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WTFSEAN

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Phil doesn't play by the books; he plays by his instinct. Books tell you that it's just too rare that your kings run into aces and that you HAVE TO bust if put in the situation. I guarantee you that Phil has folded kings to aces in some untelevised card room.

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10-22-2008 , 05:59 PM

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Vegaas

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Originally Posted by brokekid

doh, thats what i meant :P

I guess you could put him on a set but its unlikely to call a raise with low pairs like that... unless your sammy farha...

What? Implied odds dictate you do call a raise with deep stacks.

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10-24-2008 , 08:14 PM

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cdog

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Its a bad play by Booth, he dodged a bullet IMO. The pot was simply too small to jam there and have it be a good play.

Raising $50K more not only looks more credible, the risk reward ratio is much more sane. He can fold if Ivey jams.

Even if Ivey only calls 25% of the time, its a hugely money losing play. Hes on a freaking gutter draw with no diamonds!

Now, when they are sitting with 400BB, its not likely he will call very often when he bets and Boothe jams.

But with KK or AA, I think he is going to call 25% of the time, just not that time.

Overall, bad play by Booth and a standard fold by Ivey, it would have been a sick call.

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10-25-2008 , 12:24 AM

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gamblar

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[x] Cool Millions

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10-26-2008 , 05:33 AM

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vladzhuk

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[x] life time infinite implied odds for Booth vs all that saw/heard that hand

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10-26-2008 , 06:00 AM

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dtat0529

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if booth has better than KK there, is he ever jamming? i think he would try to get more value out of a set or straight.

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10-26-2008 , 06:22 AM

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alborland86

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Originally Posted by dtat0529

if booth has better than KK there, is he ever jamming? i think he would try to get more value out of a set or straight.

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10-26-2008 , 08:12 AM

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Dread13

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Yeah no kidding. When really good players flop a set, they check-min-raise to disguise their hand, ldo.

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10-26-2008 , 10:05 PM

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john voight

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Originally Posted by brokekid

lolcats

attn evry1: plz dont post strategy in this thread or u will look like ^^^^

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10-26-2008 , 10:12 PM

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Robert Rasimus.

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Originally Posted by WTFSEAN

Phil doesn't play by the books; he plays by his instinct.

That is the reason , he just felt bad and he didn't want to go, he could have still lost too.

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05-12-2009 , 08:30 AM

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bicolor_le_bond

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Interesting read OP. So many levels in this hand.

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05-12-2009 , 08:48 AM

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springzz

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Buying in for a cold milli + bluffing Ivey for his stack when he has a monster = more tv appearances? Right?

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05-12-2009 , 09:04 AM

#47

K13

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ivey is not god like everyone on here makes him out to be.

weak.

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05-12-2009 , 09:36 AM

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lurkinaround

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Funny how people say its cash game and Ivey dont have to be afraid to lose his stack cos he can just reload.

But he would actually lose more than big tourny wins in that hand. It would be much easier to call with KK in 10k$ tournament even if its Freezeout.