https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoP...tion_321633779

7:40. Seems like Negreanu's angle shooting again to induce a 3 bet when he has the Ad.

No.
He just gave the guy another reason NOT to call the reraise. Some guys you just can't help.

It's strange but I think there is some purpose of basically scaring the guy out of reraising, either with a flush or a bluff. Negreanu is a smart guy and there's no way he does this accidentally. Even if it's possible he really didn't see the flush, which I doubt, he'd never say that out loud while the guy was thinking without having a reason for it. And the only reason I can think of is to put the guy on the defensive and slow him down. Negreanu's behavior would definitely scare most people and have them thinking: is Negreanu doing this weird, uncertain act because he has the nuts?

The weird thing is that his act is so potentially intimidating that you'd think he could potentially be losing value by scaring off his opponent. So I don't really know why he'd do this. I just know he's not doing it accidentally.

Oh I left out the other obvious explanation: he thinks it's neutral EV to do this and it's entertaining for the audience. Actually, as with a lot of TV poker behavior, I think this is probably the best explanation. With a slight element of defensiveness/raise-prevention.

about Teves play.. do you think it is pretty bad ? when i watched it i was like wtf is he doing ?? however i dont play mtts but leading out without a FD blocker as a bluff with a hand that could possibly be a bluff catcher seems pretty bad..

I don't see the issue here. Negreanu isn't being deceptive about whether he raised, only why he raised. He should be able to say whatever and it should be up to Teves to figure out what it means; it's part of the game.

Kinda like the time he had AK and "accidentally" made a huge open and induced one of the blinds to shove KJ? Then when he was asked about it after he pretty much said the bolded part while at the table he tried his hardest to make it seem like a genuine mistake.

^ that is completely different

in that case (he did that in a hand vs durrr in hsp too) he pretended to misclick and took a different action than what he normally would have calling it an accident. his action in that situation is always either a misclick or a angle shoot

but in this situation he is always taking this action. the action itself is not a misclick or an angle shoot. just only his words are trying to confuse the player

pretend misclicking to angle shoot is different imo and wrong. although dgens called it polarizing your misclicks

You're welcome to point out what I'm not getting, but I just don't see what's wrong with intentionally misclicking as long as your raise amount is made clear. A player should have zero obligation to explain why he has raised to a certain amount and should be able to chat all he wants at the table about it. I would draw the line at trying to deceive players about what action you take, not why. For example, raising big and then remaining silent after the dealer incorrectly announces that you've raised to a much smaller amount, or intentionally making vague checking gestures. But if the dealer makes it clear that you've raised to that amount then it's fair game.

And isn't it kind of hypocritical to shove to take advantage of a possible misclick and then complain? Not sure you can have it both ways.

Yeah there is absolutely nothing wrong with negreanu's behavior and I'd be surprised if anyone thought there was. I was just interested in making sense of it.

I always loved typing "got to go" before massively overshoving AA on pstars

#neverforget

at my casino they dont use the forward motion to commit your chips but instead your chips have to cross the line for them to be committed.

so at my games after someone limps and i have AA early position i take a big handful of chips and cross the line, drop one indicating call and wait for someone to yell that all my chips are in play and committed to the pot cuz i brought them over the line.. then i say ohhhh no i didnt mean to do that!!! plz dont make commit them and create a massive pot with everyone thinking im weak

gotta polarize those misclicks

That's super shady ya scummer

Yeah you can still polarize your misclicks and not act like it was an accident. What you're doing is just as bad as what DN did at the EPT.

Hellmuth & Negreanu are constantly trying to manipulate people with their mouth.

How you label that behavior is a decision that's up to you.

How is this an angle shoot? He raised and started saying things. Its a heads up pot you can say whatever you want if you're not colluding or threatening someone.

His behavior makes me cringe, and I'd be surprised if anyone thought it didn't make THEM cringe. Therefore, there is something wrong with it; just not on a poker level. On a more fundamental, human level, there is.

I don't think he's trying to induce a 3-bet here, I think he's trying to prevent one. DNegs has done some 'different' stuff at the table lately that may lead us to believe he's slipping a bit, but it may all be part of the 'bigger' plan as he always has for each player at the table.

There may be a ton of history here not shown on TV. I have watched a lot of his play ..
1) I think he doesn't want to deal with a 3-bet from a 'small' flush.
2) I also don't really think he wants to show his hand either.

His play in this tournament, at least by his own verbiage, is his normal small ball type of play. Only betting/raising with strong hands. I think his actions here really could've cost him some value from stronger hands, but I also think that he was trying to 'maintain' a stronger image than calling a guy down with a gut shot. You can say that you 'read a guy as weak' all you want, but showing down a gut shot would contradict his image of 'low risk' types of play that he wants the table to think he prefers. Betting when you can really only be called by better really isn't something a Pro wants to be shown either.

He usually has a plan for each player. Case in point the double c/r he put on Canoli(?) on Day 7. I wish we could chat with him openly on a lot more. GL

What reraise?

+1 million. Stars pros can`t even get it right while doing expert commentary on EPTlive.